So, what is the difference.... - Page 12

Spexxvet · 08-02-2006, 09:25 AM

Hey, during the Clinton Administration, even the republicans bitched about the US being the world police. "We don't want our military going into Bosnia, Croatia, Sommalia, etc. without a firm exit strategy". Things change...

glatt · 08-02-2006, 09:42 AM

Somalia was Bush I. Clinton pulled us out of there.

Undertoad · 08-02-2006, 12:12 PM

I rightfully wanted you to correctly defend a statement you made. You repeatedly failed to do so.

It's not about sources, filters, being smart or dumb, attacking or not attacking.

I've done nothing but provide facts, dichead. I've even provided corrections.

Again, my question was "How does Fouad Siniora demanding a cease-fire from Rice in English mean that the entire operation is directed from Washington?"

Your reply was "The entire operation is directed from Washington, it's a given if you read good sources."

But this is not an answer to my question. Would you like to try again? You seem to be arguing a different question than the one posed.

Ibby · 08-02-2006, 12:13 PM

Hey tw, can I ask a favor of you?

Can you sum up your major points in one line each for us please? I think there is a bigger problem with your rambling on for a page without concretely saying exactly what you think (or, more correctly, EVERYTHING you think without making major points clear) than the actual content, which, for me, is very hard to get to... Like wading through the sewer for the ring you dropped down it.

Pretty please state your major points youre yelling at everyone about in one line each?

tw · 08-02-2006, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram

Hey tw, can I ask a favor of you?

Can you sum up your major points in one line each for us please?

No.

Flint · 08-02-2006, 12:15 PM

Well, UT can't be right - he made a typo! Case closed.

Trilby · 08-02-2006, 12:35 PM

Unless tw mentions me (Brianna) in EVERY SINGLE post he makes-I won't be reading it. I enjoy envisioning him, in a greasy, dingy, smelly old T-shirt, McDonald french fries in his unkempt beard, ancient aquarium with algea and dead fish floating belly up by his computer, numerous conspiracy rags by his 1970's barcalounger and 14 day-old chili in his one and only pot on the stove, growing penicillin--thinking of ways to weave 'Brianna' and 'grasp' into one coherent sentence. It's like nectar.

I know tw wants me. He wants to EDUCATE and CONTROL me. I am so hott for him right now...I'm prolly gonna touch myself...

Flint · 08-02-2006, 03:36 PM

Ouch. The sharp sting of the one-word reply.

tw · 08-02-2006, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

Ouch. The sharp sting of the one-word reply.

The response was blunt, honest, and direct to the point. This time, I did not 'confuse' an issue with reality of underlying facts. A simpler answer - without supporting facts - was provided. Previous post was already soundbyted down into an executive summary. When asked for an even simpler response, one was provided. No ouch. That is silly emotion. Just the bottom line without any reasons provided - or what happens when we "sum up major points in one line".

MaggieL · 08-02-2006, 03:58 PM

Well, it's not so much stinging as a very literal reply to the actual question.

It's not that he won't ...it's that, being tw, he can't, which is what the questioner asked.

Flint · 08-02-2006, 04:20 PM

My comment wasn't really intended as a criticism.

tw · 08-02-2006, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

My comment wasn't really intended as a criticism.

It was not taken to be criticism. My answer provided underlying details so that the answer was obvious to others. "No" was the honest answer to Ibram (short answer provided somewhat facetiously) because this 'cleanse Lebanon' war is so complex AND is so confused by intentional myths and blantant half truths (such as Hezbollah is a terrorist organization or Hezbollah attacked first).

Same thing happening on a greater scale in Darfur does not get such attention, in part, because Darfur does not involve so many parties, is not so complex, and would not drag in the entire world. This Israel cleansing war - part of America's intention to fix the Middle East whether they like it or not - is that complex.

Ibby · 08-02-2006, 04:59 PM

tw, nobody can tell what you're trying to say because you wont state clearly what you think. When UT tried to get you to clarify, you responded with a LONGER, MUDDIER post. The problem isn't so much the length as the clarity. I quite liked the one-word post... If you had posted a page and a half about why longer posts were better or something, I would probably not care enough to read it all, and therefore guess at the content. At least now I know exactly how you feel about making a concise and clear post on your position.

tw · 08-02-2006, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram

tw, nobody can tell what you're trying to say because you wont state clearly what you think. When UT tried to get you to clarify, you responded with a LONGER, MUDDIER post. The problem isn't so much the length as the clarity.

You want a 'yes or no' answer. I gave one - "No.". It did not tell you much which is why you are back again asking the same questions.

You want details (clarity). Then yes, the deeper you dive for details, the muddier it gets. Welcome to the Middle East. There are no 'yes and no' answers which is what you are asking for. Those answers were as clear as possible because the situation is chock full of perspectives and the Cellar is no place to post a book. You think there are only two parties involved? You don't have enough fingers and toes in your family to count the parties involved. How do you describe that in terms of 'yes and no'?

Which do you want? A better comprehension or shorter posts? They are mutually exclusive. Provided was an executive summary. You complain that it is not detailed enough (too short) AND complained the answer is too long. You want clarity? The short answer was "No". Underlying facts to that answer include "I will not set new records for longer posts". You want a shorter answer? Then you don't want clarity. Why do you keep asking for what is obviously impossible?

As if it were not complex enough, we have some here falsely claiming that Hezbollah attacked first. Then others blindly believe that nonsense. So who was really muddying the waters? Welcome to the Middle East where there is so much more than sand, sun, and precious water. And yet even that can make muddy water.

Trilby · 08-02-2006, 05:00 PM

Well, he's got to pick those fries out of his beard. That takes time.

08-02-2006, 09:25 AM	#1
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Hey, during the Clinton Administration, even the republicans bitched about the US being the world police. "We don't want our military going into Bosnia, Croatia, Sommalia, etc. without a firm exit strategy". Things change... __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-02-2006, 12:13 PM	#4
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Hey tw, can I ask a favor of you? Can you sum up your major points in one line each for us please? I think there is a bigger problem with your rambling on for a page without concretely saying exactly what you think (or, more correctly, EVERYTHING you think without making major points clear) than the actual content, which, for me, is very hard to get to... Like wading through the sewer for the ring you dropped down it. Pretty please state your major points youre yelling at everyone about in one line each? __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh Last edited by Ibby; 08-02-2006 at 12:23 PM.

08-02-2006, 12:15 PM	#6
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Well, UT can't be right - he made a typo! Case closed. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-02-2006, 12:35 PM	#7
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Unless tw mentions me (Brianna) in EVERY SINGLE post he makes-I won't be reading it. I enjoy envisioning him, in a greasy, dingy, smelly old T-shirt, McDonald french fries in his unkempt beard, ancient aquarium with algea and dead fish floating belly up by his computer, numerous conspiracy rags by his 1970's barcalounger and 14 day-old chili in his one and only pot on the stove, growing penicillin--thinking of ways to weave 'Brianna' and 'grasp' into one coherent sentence. It's like nectar. I know tw wants me. He wants to EDUCATE and CONTROL me. I am so hott for him right now...I'm prolly gonna touch myself... __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum Last edited by Trilby; 08-02-2006 at 12:40 PM.

08-02-2006, 03:36 PM	#8
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Ouch. The sharp sting of the one-word reply. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-02-2006, 09:42 AM	#2
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Somalia was Bush I. Clinton pulled us out of there.

08-02-2006, 12:12 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I rightfully wanted you to correctly defend a statement you made. You repeatedly failed to do so. It's not about sources, filters, being smart or dumb, attacking or not attacking. I've done nothing but provide facts, dichead. I've even provided corrections. Again, my question was "How does Fouad Siniora demanding a cease-fire from Rice in English mean that the entire operation is directed from Washington?" Your reply was "The entire operation is directed from Washington, it's a given if you read good sources." But this is not an answer to my question. Would you like to try again? You seem to be arguing a different question than the one posed.

08-02-2006, 03:58 PM	#10
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	Well, it's not so much stinging as a very literal reply to the actual question. It's not that he won't ...it's that, being tw, he can't, which is what the questioner asked. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..."

08-02-2006, 04:20 PM	#11
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	My comment wasn't really intended as a criticism. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-02-2006, 04:59 PM	#13
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	tw, nobody can tell what you're trying to say because you wont state clearly what you think. When UT tried to get you to clarify, you responded with a LONGER, MUDDIER post. The problem isn't so much the length as the clarity. I quite liked the one-word post... If you had posted a page and a half about why longer posts were better or something, I would probably not care enough to read it all, and therefore guess at the content. At least now I know exactly how you feel about making a concise and clear post on your position. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh Last edited by Ibby; 08-02-2006 at 05:11 PM.

08-02-2006, 05:00 PM	#15
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Well, he's got to pick those fries out of his beard. That takes time. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

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