So, what is the difference....

[JayMcGee]

@nineth....


what happened to your much-vaunted patriots? Like the guns of Singapore, are they all pointed the wrong way?

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Aiyyo Chief, you'll know antagonistic and aggressive when you feel my steel-toe in your nuggets! Why I oughta ----

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a-haha-hem- a-ahah-hem! Aaaaanyway - As owner, I reserve the right to behave any way I see fit as long as everyone else does the same.

In fact, I asked everyone whether they wanted me to exhibit some sort of senatorial decorum, for the purposes of the Cellar, which otherwise would clearly be much more popular and be a greater source of wisdom and reason;

And they all said I should just stay the grizzly opinionated bastard that I am, so that when I'm particularly incorrect, as I am at least 50% of the time, they can laugh at me and get some enjoyment out of life.

Shrug. I figure, at least I'm providing a service.

Oh, and yeah, the nuclear thing does worry me...... I see no fail-safe for Israel's nuclear force.

And yet it remains completely unused. Not even tested. Perhaps there are forces in the world you are not privy to.

[JayMcGee]

Tell that to the marines?



Your lack of insight is truly amazing, maggie.

Tw's post was extremley though-provoking: I believe he/she has analysed this situation to at least one level beyond my own efforts.

But, this is democratic board,. at least in principle., and you are entitled to your say...

So, maggie, just how would you you stop the jews killing arab children?

[tw]

Originally Posted by JayMcGee

"Tell that to the marines?"

Your lack of insight is truly amazing, maggie.

If she is referring to a Beruit Marine Barrack attack and another upon the French, well many forget the Marines all but protected Maronites as Maronites shelled Druze and Shi'ite positions. Somehow this then gets blamed on Hezbollah rather than on Druze or Shi'ites? Otherwise I have not a clue what her post implied since Hezbollah was elsewhere.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by JayMcGee

just how would you you stop the jews killing arab children?

I know you posed this particular query to maggie, but ... just how would you stop (mostly Arab) suicide bombers from killing Jews?

These events do not occur in isolation.

[JayMcGee]

you got a frog in your throat there, UT?


(emails a couple of Fishermens' Friends... that should sort you out...)

You provide a good service..... just don't confuse sardonic with sincere.

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

You provide a good service..... just don't confuse sardonic with sincere.

I don't service you; you might have me confused with your mama.

I'm not Maggie, but... tell them to give the soldiers back and point their missiles somewhere else.
Otherwise, they have nothing to be surprised about.

[JayMcGee]

but..... who's they, 'rken?

Originally Posted by JayMcGee

but..... who's they, 'rken?

Hezbullah, be done with it. I think Israel is done with being targeted and the kidnapping of the soldiers was the last straw.
If the soldiers are dead then they are screwed and it is their own fault.
Israel has just been pushed too far. They are a nation, end of story and the rest of that region is going to have to get over it.
As for kidnapping soldiers &/or supporting/financing it.... just stupid.

[Trilby]

Jay is just another sniffy Brit. Why isn't he concerned with the children of Darfur? After all, it was the Brits and the French who sliced Africa up to their liking, ignoring tribal lines. I guess the children in Darfur just aren't as compelling somehow, right, Jay?

Hezbollah knew what kind of response it would get by provoking Israel. They knew, yet, they did not care that innocent Lebanese would die because of their actions. The blame for the deaths of the innocents is on Hezbollah.

[MaggieL]

Crossthread link

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The tall story we Europeans now tell ourselves about Israel

See, Jay, the Europeans are confused here. Finally in the Telegraph, a moment of realization when the longest-running Tory MP compares current Lebanon to "a war crime grimly reminiscent of the Nazi atrocity on the Jewish quarter in Warsaw". Of course it isn't, but why would he say such a thing?

What is happening in Lebanon? After the kidnapping of two of its soldiers and the firing of hundreds of rockets against its people from across the Lebanese border, Israel is trying to crush the Hizbollah fighters who have perpetrated these acts. In doing so, it has also killed civilians. Some 500 people have died in Lebanon as a result.

What was the "Nazi atrocity on the Jewish quarter in Warsaw"? There were many, of course. But Sir Peter was probably referring to the events of April-May 1943. The Nazis had earlier deported 300,000 Polish Jews to Treblinka. As news of their fate reached Jews in Warsaw, they decided to revolt against further round-ups. For about a month, they resisted. They were subdued: 7,000 of them were killed and 56,000 were sent to the camps.

Sir Peter surely knew this, yet he chose to speak as he did. Here is a man who has been in public life for more than 50 years (he was an assistant to Anthony Eden in the general election of 1955), and yet he compared Israel's attack to the most famous genocide of the 20th century. What possessed him?
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You could criticise Israel's recent attack for many things. Some argue that it is disproportionate, or too indiscriminate. Others think that it is ill-planned militarily. Others hold that it will give more power to extremists in the Arab world, and will hamper a wider peace settlement. These are all reasonable, though not necessarily correct positions to hold. But European discourse on the subject seems to have been overwhelmed by something else - a narrative, told most powerfully by the way television pictures are selected, that makes Israel out as a senseless, imperialist, mass-murdering, racist bully.

[JayMcGee]

The UN Charter specifically inderdicts 'collective punishment' as a war crime.
No if's, but' s, or because's......

Actually, I'm somewhat flattered, that six days after my last post, I've gotten under your skin so much that you just had to scratch.....

That's all I want you folk to do... scratch the surface, see under the propoganda (on both sides) and decide just where the line lies.

(as an aside..... 2 weeks back, when Condi was about to visit the region, Bush said she 'would not be visting with an empty satchel' . I remarked to my mate, that proballly means she has some kind of reconstruction plan whereby US companies will rebuild Beruit. Georgie boy confirmed this the other day....

.... actually, it was on the same day they shipped thru the UK the bombs to flatten the very self same real-estate they are going to rebuild.... I guess that's what you might call a 'circular economy')

[xoxoxoBruce]

I believe what they were shipping were more accurate munitions to try to prevent as much collateral damage as possible.