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wolf · 03-20-2007, 09:54 AM

Given the simple linearity of the BC/AD system, I'll stick with it, rather than something on the order of "In the fifth month of the third year of the Reign of Elizabeth II ..." Dating based on monarchs gets very confusing, very quickly.

Happy Monkey · 08-09-2010, 05:48 PM

It's almost enough to make me wonder if Andy Schlafly is a Poe (Poe's law - religious fundamentalism):

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Originally Posted by Conservapedia

The theory of relativity is a mathematical system that allows no exceptions. It is heavily promoted by liberals who like its encouragement of relativism and its tendency to mislead people in how they view the world.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-09-2010, 08:22 PM

The only reason it's "almost," HM, is that you are willing to remain deceived about conservatism, in spite of all I can do showing off our smarts and our ability to get at the heart of things. Calling it "conservapedia" when it's more nearly "yahoopedia" suffices to deceive some, and reinforce their shallow, specious views about anyone to the right of Woodrow Wilson. Need that include you? Christ almighty -- why?!

Something very few Dwellars consistently understand is that anti-scientism is not a good litmus test either for Conservatives or for Christians. It is primarily an indication that somebody didn't get any science to speak of, or couldn't handle the amount he did. The lack of understanding calls, as always, your degree of enlightenment into sharp question.

For just one unconsidered assumption, is it necessary to reject evolutionary theory to see truthful things in Genesis? Is the converse necessary? Neither is: consider when Genesis was written and who it was written for -- a people who hardly had writing, let alone any science whatsoever, and it was written for the first time in the Bronze Age. That's damned early. And Genesis can be read from an evolutionary viewpoint and taking inspiration from evolutionary understanding too -- try it for yourself if you are constitutionally indisposed to accepting UG's words on their face; if you can show you understand it better than UG does, good for you. (Now UG better lay off the third person -- his hair's thinning enough as it is.) The remarkable thing is not the details that Genesis got wrong, but the quite-a-few details Genesis got right.

"Let there be light." How's that for a poetic, yet simple, reference to a Big Bang? Sure, the inspiration for the thought came from late in Dark Star, and I can't deny it, but really! The worst you can say of it is it's concise.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-09-2010, 08:24 PM

Minuscule-letter AD? First I've heard of it, and it seems to me infelicitous. Writing it out in full in lowercase seems happier. It is an abbreviation, and are not abbreviations usually capitalized?

Wow -- Resurrect-o-Thread. Guess ideas spring forever green if they're deep enough.

Happy Monkey · 08-10-2010, 10:55 AM

"Let there be light" is as far as it gets before it gets everything else wrong (even while still in "day" one - day and night before planets? What does that even mean?). But I guess you could call everything else details.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-10-2010, 11:34 AM

Well, the "got wrong" or "doesn't square with the tale told in the rocks" seems mostly to be things of timing. Note the sketched idea Genesis has of a progressing development of things, and over time. Some insight, no? Was it sheer luck?

I know too much science to be a young-Earther or anything of the sort. Bishop Ussher's 17th-c. calculation of the Earth's age illustrates what the mind will try and do with the data it has. But that does not make me into some kind of nonbeliever, for I can always say to the fundie: "If you are capital-O Omnipotent and Eternal, and have literally all the time in the Universe -- where's the wrong in taking your time and doing it right? Is there no Divine Wisdom in a Creation that goes of itself? Think of the bother an automatic universe saves..." and I can go on.

Happy Monkey · 08-10-2010, 11:54 AM

Not just timing- order. Planets are made from ejected star material, but stars come after Earth in Genesis. The order of plants and various animals is all wrong, too. And that's just v1.0 of the creation story in the Bible. In v2.0, the order is human males, then all other species, then human females.

If they get a pass on timing and order, what are we applauding them for? Listing things that exist? Incompletely? Even then, you have to give them a metaphorical pass for "the waters above" that was split off from the oceans.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-10-2010, 11:57 AM

I could never figure that obscure phrase for anything but some metaphor anyway. Suppose it might have been from some legend about why we have rain?

Happy Monkey · 08-10-2010, 01:17 PM

Probably that combined with sky and sea color-matching and meeting at the horizon.

BigV · 08-10-2010, 09:38 PM

looks like it's HM's turn in the box. Give'em hell, Happy!

ZenGum · 08-12-2010, 05:31 AM

By coincidence, Conservapedia just got a mention at New Scientist. They (CP, not NS) not only deny evolution, but also deny relativity, the E = MC2 business.

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a page on the site titled "Counterexamples to relativity". It says: "The theory of relativity is a mathematical system that allows no exceptions. It is heavily promoted by liberals who like its encouragement of relativism and its tendency to mislead people in how they view the world."

In a footnote, this comment is followed up by: "Virtually no one who is taught and believes relativity continues to read the Bible, a book that outsells New York Times bestsellers by a hundred-fold."

SNIP

Read further and you will find this astonishing piece of information, clearly the smoking gun of the Einsteinian liberal conspiracy: "Barack Obama helped publish an article by liberal law professor Laurence Tribe to apply the relativistic concept of 'curvature of space' to promote a broad legal right to abortion".

Which is kind of true, although grossly misrepresented.. At the time, BHO was the editor of the journal, and thanks were SOP. The argument in the journal uses relativity as a metaphor or analogy for how every action affects things around it.

Classic, Lookout, even UG, are conservatives. These people are just idiots.

classicman · 08-12-2010, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

Classic, Lookout, even UG, are conservatives. These people are just idiots.

You won't get much disagreement here.

tw · 08-13-2010, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

They (CP, not NS) not only deny evolution, but also deny relativity, the E = MC2 business.

From Scientific American of Aug 2010 entitled "Faith and Foolishness":

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Was there suddenly a quantum leap in U.S. science literacy? Sadly no. ...
When presented with the statement "human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals," just 45 percent of respondents indicated "true". Compare this figure with the affirmative percentages in Japan (78), Europe (70), China (69), and South Korea (64). Only 33 percent of Americans agreed that "the universe began with a big explosion."

The article discussed why the National Science Foundation is now avoiding to discuss this.

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The National Science Board, which oversees the foundation ... claiming the questions were "flawed indicators of scientific knowledge because responses conflated knowledge and beliefs." In short, if their religious beliefs require respondents to discard scientific facts, then board does not think it is appropriate to expose that truth.

Shawnee123 · 08-12-2010, 08:27 AM

But you're all vehemently "middle of the road" usually.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-12-2010, 06:57 PM

I think it's more we're such middle America.

03-20-2007, 09:54 AM	#1
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Given the simple linearity of the BC/AD system, I'll stick with it, rather than something on the order of "In the fifth month of the third year of the Reign of Elizabeth II ..." Dating based on monarchs gets very confusing, very quickly. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-09-2010, 08:22 PM	#3
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	The only reason it's "almost," HM, is that you are willing to remain deceived about conservatism, in spite of all I can do showing off our smarts and our ability to get at the heart of things. Calling it "conservapedia" when it's more nearly "yahoopedia" suffices to deceive some, and reinforce their shallow, specious views about anyone to the right of Woodrow Wilson. Need that include you? Christ almighty -- why?! Something very few Dwellars consistently understand is that anti-scientism is not a good litmus test either for Conservatives or for Christians. It is primarily an indication that somebody didn't get any science to speak of, or couldn't handle the amount he did. The lack of understanding calls, as always, your degree of enlightenment into sharp question. For just one unconsidered assumption, is it necessary to reject evolutionary theory to see truthful things in Genesis? Is the converse necessary? Neither is: consider when Genesis was written and who it was written for -- a people who hardly had writing, let alone any science whatsoever, and it was written for the first time in the Bronze Age. That's damned early. And Genesis can be read from an evolutionary viewpoint and taking inspiration from evolutionary understanding too -- try it for yourself if you are constitutionally indisposed to accepting UG's words on their face; if you can show you understand it better than UG does, good for you. (Now UG better lay off the third person -- his hair's thinning enough as it is.) The remarkable thing is not the details that Genesis got wrong, but the quite-a-few details Genesis got right. "Let there be light." How's that for a poetic, yet simple, reference to a Big Bang? Sure, the inspiration for the thought came from late in Dark Star, and I can't deny it, but really! The worst you can say of it is it's concise. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 08-09-2010 at 08:31 PM.

08-09-2010, 08:24 PM	#4
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Minuscule-letter AD? First I've heard of it, and it seems to me infelicitous. Writing it out in full in lowercase seems happier. It is an abbreviation, and are not abbreviations usually capitalized? Wow -- Resurrect-o-Thread. Guess ideas spring forever green if they're deep enough. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

08-10-2010, 10:55 AM	#5
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	"Let there be light" is as far as it gets before it gets everything else wrong (even while still in "day" one - day and night before planets? What does that even mean?). But I guess you could call everything else details. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-10-2010, 11:34 AM	#6
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Well, the "got wrong" or "doesn't square with the tale told in the rocks" seems mostly to be things of timing. Note the sketched idea Genesis has of a progressing development of things, and over time. Some insight, no? Was it sheer luck? I know too much science to be a young-Earther or anything of the sort. Bishop Ussher's 17th-c. calculation of the Earth's age illustrates what the mind will try and do with the data it has. But that does not make me into some kind of nonbeliever, for I can always say to the fundie: "If you are capital-O Omnipotent and Eternal, and have literally all the time in the Universe -- where's the wrong in taking your time and doing it right? Is there no Divine Wisdom in a Creation that goes of itself? Think of the bother an automatic universe saves..." and I can go on. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

08-10-2010, 11:54 AM	#7
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Not just timing- order. Planets are made from ejected star material, but stars come after Earth in Genesis. The order of plants and various animals is all wrong, too. And that's just v1.0 of the creation story in the Bible. In v2.0, the order is human males, then all other species, then human females. If they get a pass on timing and order, what are we applauding them for? Listing things that exist? Incompletely? Even then, you have to give them a metaphorical pass for "the waters above" that was split off from the oceans. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-10-2010, 11:57 AM	#8
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I could never figure that obscure phrase for anything but some metaphor anyway. Suppose it might have been from some legend about why we have rain? __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

08-10-2010, 01:17 PM	#9
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Probably that combined with sky and sea color-matching and meeting at the horizon. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-10-2010, 09:38 PM	#10
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	looks like it's HM's turn in the box. Give'em hell, Happy! __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

08-12-2010, 08:27 AM	#14
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	But you're all vehemently "middle of the road" usually. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-12-2010, 06:57 PM	#15
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I think it's more we're such middle America. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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