Second Chances

yesman065 · 07-13-2007, 07:38 AM

http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/second-chances.htm

I don't know what to say - I just sat here stunned reading it. I'm iincapable of comprehending what motivates these people to do this.

One excerpt:
"The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11 years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man’s words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, “What did he say?” Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family."

yesman065 · 07-13-2007, 07:45 AM

A few more. . .

"Al Qaeda: the organization that gleefully bragged about murdering roughly 3,000 people by smashing jets full of civilians into buildings and earth. Al Qaeda in Iraq: who proudly broadcast their penchant for sawing off the heads of living breathing people, and in such a manner as to ensure lots of spurting blood and gurgles of final pain, in some cases with the added flourish of the executioner raising up the severed head and squealing excitedly."

"After years of experience, the terrorists had prepared Baqubah to an extent greater than either Fallujah or Ramadi had been. During one of the briefings Saturday, General Petraeus mentioned that Baqubah was probably the most rigged city of the entire war. Another officer at the briefing said there is so much explosives residue in Baqubah that the bomb dogs get confused."

"The bloggers who demand fairness and truth are auditing what we write, but the market ultimately determines how much of any kind of reporting about this war ever gets placed before consumers."

glatt · 07-13-2007, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by yesman065

"al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking."

I wonder how effective this recruiting technique was for them?

Undertoad · 07-13-2007, 08:05 AM

100%, I would expect.

glatt · 07-13-2007, 08:18 AM

I don't understand that. If someone baked my boy, I would fear and hate them. I may join them to keep them from baking more of my children, but I would just be looking for an opportunity to turn the tables on them. I wouldn't be loyal in any way. They would have to be watching their backs.

DanaC · 07-13-2007, 08:36 AM

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I don't understand that. If someone baked my boy, I would fear and hate them. I may join them to keep them from baking more of my children, but I would just be looking for an opportunity to turn the tables on them. I wouldn't be loyal in any way. They would have to be watching their backs.

True. But then again, if they are powerful enough to do that to your child with impunity, you may feel that they are powerful enough to know what you are doing and to whom you are speaking at any time. These people must feel an overwhelming sense of helplessness. After all, who can rescue them? The most powerful nation that ever existed was not able to prevent what is happening to them.

Happy Monkey · 07-13-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

100%, I would expect.

Not quite. They didn't get the kid.

Undertoad · 07-13-2007, 08:50 AM

Yabbut Glatt, that's Western thinking: the lone rebel fights the brutal empire, through just the force of his will if that's all he has left, because the most important thing is to assert abstract rights that he is not offered, in order to seek a better, more just way.

(What a wordy SOB I am sometimes. How do you people put up with me.)

In the desert, I imagine the biggest lesson is you don't fight forces stronger than yourself, if you want to live.

glatt · 07-13-2007, 09:56 AM

But they wanted to convert the families "to their way of thinking." I can imagine fearing a group and going along with it grudgingly but I'd never join their way of thinking. If they asked me to bake somebody else's kid to get them to join too, I don't see how I could do that. It's the obvious next step to see who is loyal. I'd leave in the night instead. I do understand the refugee problem. I'd be one if they baked my boy and I thought they would do it again to another.

skysidhe · 07-13-2007, 10:56 AM

sick.........and guess who I blame.

I think I would come off the table and take a body part of someone before I was killed too or pass out from shock. I am shocked just reading it.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-13-2007, 11:38 AM

And the Democrats want to lose to these people?

It's not that I can't imagine what they're thinking -- I know what they're thinking. That's why I'm sure the national leadership of the Democratic Party is composed of total idiots.

glatt · 07-13-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

And the Democrats want to lose to these people?

The Democrats want to stop losing to these people.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-13-2007, 11:50 AM

Glatt, their actions tell us otherwise. The Democrats have no, repeat no, strategy to win this. They never had one, show no interest in getting one, and are therefore wholly incompetent. Don't vote for any, contribute campaign money to their opponents only, remove any and all support for this sorry Party.

DanaC · 07-13-2007, 11:52 AM

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Glatt, their actions tell us otherwise. The Democrats have no, repeat no, strategy to win this.

Unlike the Republicants who have it all sewn up?

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-13-2007, 11:58 AM

To their infinite credit, the Republicans are convinced America should win her wars. This idea is completely absent from the Democrats, as their actions show.

07-13-2007, 07:38 AM	#1
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Second Chances http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/second-chances.htm I don't know what to say - I just sat here stunned reading it. I'm iincapable of comprehending what motivates these people to do this. One excerpt: "The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11 years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man’s words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, “What did he say?” Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family."

07-13-2007, 11:38 AM	#11
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	And the Democrats want to lose to these people? It's not that I can't imagine what they're thinking -- I know what they're thinking. That's why I'm sure the national leadership of the Democratic Party is composed of total idiots. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-13-2007, 11:50 AM	#13
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Glatt, their actions tell us otherwise. The Democrats have no, repeat no, strategy to win this. They never had one, show no interest in getting one, and are therefore wholly incompetent. Don't vote for any, contribute campaign money to their opponents only, remove any and all support for this sorry Party. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-13-2007, 11:58 AM	#15
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	To their infinite credit, the Republicans are convinced America should win her wars. This idea is completely absent from the Democrats, as their actions show. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-13-2007, 07:45 AM	#2
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	A few more. . . "Al Qaeda: the organization that gleefully bragged about murdering roughly 3,000 people by smashing jets full of civilians into buildings and earth. Al Qaeda in Iraq: who proudly broadcast their penchant for sawing off the heads of living breathing people, and in such a manner as to ensure lots of spurting blood and gurgles of final pain, in some cases with the added flourish of the executioner raising up the severed head and squealing excitedly." "After years of experience, the terrorists had prepared Baqubah to an extent greater than either Fallujah or Ramadi had been. During one of the briefings Saturday, General Petraeus mentioned that Baqubah was probably the most rigged city of the entire war. Another officer at the briefing said there is so much explosives residue in Baqubah that the bomb dogs get confused." "The bloggers who demand fairness and truth are auditing what we write, but the market ultimately determines how much of any kind of reporting about this war ever gets placed before consumers."

07-13-2007, 08:05 AM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	100%, I would expect.

07-13-2007, 08:18 AM	#5
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I don't understand that. If someone baked my boy, I would fear and hate them. I may join them to keep them from baking more of my children, but I would just be looking for an opportunity to turn the tables on them. I wouldn't be loyal in any way. They would have to be watching their backs.

07-13-2007, 08:50 AM	#8
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Yabbut Glatt, that's Western thinking: the lone rebel fights the brutal empire, through just the force of his will if that's all he has left, because the most important thing is to assert abstract rights that he is not offered, in order to seek a better, more just way. (What a wordy SOB I am sometimes. How do you people put up with me.) In the desert, I imagine the biggest lesson is you don't fight forces stronger than yourself, if you want to live.

07-13-2007, 09:56 AM	#9
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	But they wanted to convert the families "to their way of thinking." I can imagine fearing a group and going along with it grudgingly but I'd never join their way of thinking. If they asked me to bake somebody else's kid to get them to join too, I don't see how I could do that. It's the obvious next step to see who is loyal. I'd leave in the night instead. I do understand the refugee problem. I'd be one if they baked my boy and I thought they would do it again to another.

07-13-2007, 10:56 AM	#10
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	sick.........and guess who I blame. I think I would come off the table and take a body part of someone before I was killed too or pass out from shock. I am shocked just reading it.

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