Horrifying gang rape & assault on mother & son

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by smurfalicious

He's busy being all up the ass of TMZ.com for calling Beyonce a "roboho".

Oh that is priceless.

But, it really is unfair to robots.

Yeah... then we all become what they are, exactly what they are.

[Aliantha]

Is it not true that whatever their sentence ends up being, they'll serve it in juvenile detention until such time as they reach majority and thereafter will serve the remainder of their sentance in an adult facility?

[yesman065]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Is it not true that whatever their sentence ends up being, they'll serve it in juvenile detention until such time as they reach majority and thereafter will serve the remainder of their sentence in an adult facility?

In most cases in America, Juveniles serve their sentence until they are 18 and then the walk away WITHOUT a record!! Thats the problem over here, Ali. They could potentially serve 2-5 years depending on their ages. If they are tried as adults then they may serve much longer sentences.
Personally, there isn't a sentence long enough for what the did. Such a blatant disregard for human life deserves whatever we as a society can to GUARANTEE they NEVER have the opportunity to do anyone else any harm. Make an example of them??? I don't know if that works, I think thats a discussion for another thread.

[DanaC]

That's what I thought happened. That's how it works over here I think.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Is it not true that whatever their sentence ends up being, they'll serve it in juvenile detention until such time as they reach majority and thereafter will serve the remainder of their sentance in an adult facility?

Depends. It's different in every state, and practically for every crime. But there is a distinct set of times when a juvenile serves time until their 18th birthday, and then their record is sealed and they walk away free and clear. (Somebody somewhere thought it was a good idea to give blanket second-chances...) There was actually a case of teens who murdered with the specific excuse of, "We're 16, so we won't do jail time." They tried those fuckers as adults too.

[monster]

Originally Posted by smurfalicious

I don't know if I've ever been so horrified by what happened in an area so close to home. I had to post this.


I'd like to know your thoughts on trying these "boys" as adults versus juveniles.

If they are juveniles, they should be tried as such.

Whether this should result in a different sentence if found guilty than if they had been adults is a different issue. As is the age of adult responsibility. Personally, I think a 16yo is plenty old enough to be expected to have mature insight into those sort of crimes.

That said, here comes the grey area. I would like to know "why" they did it. If there's a single element of "because they knew they could get away with it because of their age", then I think an adult trial seems appropriate. But that's such a hard thing to judge. Such is life.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by monster

I would like to know "why" they did it.

Nothing to do and nothing to lose.

[monster]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Nothing to do and nothing to lose.

maybe. But I want to hear it from them

[xoxoxoBruce]

I suspect the only think you'll hear from them is, "Duh...I dunno".

[AgentApathy]

Originally Posted by monster

If they are juveniles, they should be tried as such.

Whether this should result in a different sentence if found guilty than if they had been adults is a different issue. As is the age of adult responsibility. Personally, I think a 16yo is plenty old enough to be expected to have mature insight into those sort of crimes.

That said, here comes the grey area. I would like to know "why" they did it. If there's a single element of "because they knew they could get away with it because of their age", then I think an adult trial seems appropriate. But that's such a hard thing to judge. Such is life.

These "kids" committed a very adult crime. They planned it, and worse yet, they planned it en masse, even to the point of bringing condoms. That alone shows that they knew what they were planning was wrong because they hoped to conceal it, all before actually committing it.

The real answers will not come from asking these horrible, horrible wastes of flesh why they did what they did, but it would instead come from asking them why what they did was wrong. They don't seem all too smart, so I can imagine that it wouldn't be hard to get them to answer that question before they realize why it was being asked (to establish that they knew better). And I guarantee you that they knew better.

Rape is a violent crime that damages its victims beyond repair, and the damage increases exponentially by the number of attackers. I was raped in 1993, 14 years ago, and I will never be the same again. The guy who raped me for damn sure knew better, and I think that any child over the age of 8 who wasn't raised by wolves does, as well.

I'm firmly in the camp of removing these monsters from society for good, never to see the light of day again. What they did is indicative of something gone wrong deep in the moral wiring of them, and I don't believe that there is any fixing that kind of aberrant behavior. I also don't see the point in locking people up for life. Lethal injection, electric chair, hanging by a noose, whatever is cheapest. I don't think my tax dollars should be used to warehouse consciousless monsters who, if they were to escape, would only create more victims all over again.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by AgentApathy

These "kids" committed a very adult crime. They planned it, and worse yet, they planned it en masse, even to the point of bringing condoms. That alone shows that they knew what they were planning was wrong because they hoped to conceal it, all before actually committing it.

The real answers will not come from asking these horrible, horrible wastes of flesh why they did what they did, but it would instead come from asking them why what they did was wrong. They don't seem all too smart, so I can imagine that it wouldn't be hard to get them to answer that question before they realize why it was being asked (to establish that they knew better). And I guarantee you that they knew better.

Rape is a violent crime that damages its victims beyond repair, and the damage increases exponentially by the number of attackers. I was raped in 1993, 14 years ago, and I will never be the same again. The guy who raped me for damn sure knew better, and I think that any child over the age of 8 who wasn't raised by wolves does, as well.

I'm firmly in the camp of removing these monsters from society for good, never to see the light of day again. What they did is indicative of something gone wrong deep in the moral wiring of them, and I don't believe that there is any fixing that kind of aberrant behavior. I also don't see the point in locking people up for life. Lethal injection, electric chair, hanging by a noose, whatever is cheapest. I don't think my tax dollars should be used to warehouse consciousless monsters who, if they were to escape, would only create more victims all over again.

Now someone around here is really making sense. But I think they should have to live for awhile as scarred as their victims.

Again, if you have no arms, the chances of you actually forcing yourself on someone else with a gun are diminished.
Knowing why they did this serves no purpose. It is what it is, an extemporaneous circumstance. It's not like they were merely rebelling against society or their parents, they were rebelling against any human concept they've ever had, and let them keep on keepin' on. Just minus a few arms.
Let them keep rollin'............................
They could impress each other with the make and model of their new wheelchairs.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by AgentApathy

These "kids" committed a very adult crime. They planned it, and worse yet, they planned it en masse, even to the point of bringing condoms. That alone shows that they knew what they were planning was wrong because they hoped to conceal it, all before actually committing it.

Let's be fair. They may not have planned bringing along the condoms.

Their school probably gave the rubbers to them.

[monster]

Also, is it just me that thinks the forcing the mom to give the son a bj seems incongruent with the gang rape. Why would they want to do that after they had all got their rocks off? Was it really a sex crime? Or was it more about humiliation, and if so, what's the betting one of those jerks has pics on their cellphones? The cynic in me asks if the last bit even really happened. Although it would be a bizarre thing to make up.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by monster

Also, is it just me that thinks the forcing the mom to give the son a bj seems incongruent with the gang rape. Why would they want to do that after they had all got their rocks off? Was it really a sex crime? Or was it more about humiliation, and if so, what's the betting one of those jerks has pics on their cellphones? The cynic in me asks if the last bit even really happened. Although it would be a bizarre thing to make up.

Rape is never really about sex. Rape is about violence, humiliation, and subjugation. Which, when you get right down to it, is even sicker than if it were about sex.