If the indians had been republican

[xoxoxoBruce]

The Republican Party considers Lincoln their founding father.

Shame that.

[bluecuracao]

Nooooo, that is not what I'm trying to tell you.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Are there still a lot of pureblood Indians in Mexico? More than here in the states?
As you know, Sycamore claims Indian blood, but methinks it was probably a french Canadian Apache dancer.

[elSicomoro]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

As you know, Sycamore claims Indian blood, but methinks it was probably a french Canadian Apache dancer.

Well, I do have good rhythm.

My great grandfather was born in northern Oklahoma, in what was known as the Cherokee Outlet in 1902. I have not been able to find his family's name on the Dawes Rolls, so none of my family can be official citizens of the Cherokee Nation at this point.

One of these days, I'd like to seriously research his family line--and the rest of my mother's family line for that matter. I know very little about it, and the rest of my family is just as clueless.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Are there still a lot of pureblood Indians in Mexico? More than here in the states?

Oh yes.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If we do nothing, the country will change is ways I don't like.

It's going to change anyway. It's ALWAYS changing.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Excellent point! That's why anyone that truly loves this country and what it stood for, must be constantly vigilant for those that don't.

Those that don't love this country?? That's why so many people have always wanted to come here, in any way that they can--they love what this country really stands for.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Those that don't love this country?? That's why so many people have always wanted to come here, in any way that they can--they love what this country really stands for.

No, they love the fact that they can come here and make money to send home to encourage others to come and do the same. I bet few illegals understand anything more about what this country stands for other than a monetary motivation and an attempt to change one form of abject poverty to a lessor form of poverty.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I bet few illegals understand anything more about what this country stands for other than a monetary motivation and an attempt to change one form of abject poverty to a lessor form of poverty.

You have no idea what you're talking about. But bigots never do, of course.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

It's going to change anyway. It's ALWAYS changing.

Yes it is, but these people and Bush, are not changing it for the better.

Those that don't love this country?? That's why so many people have always wanted to come here, in any way that they can--they love what this country really stands for.

They love the money they can make. They love the fact they can move around relatively unimpeded. They love the fact that they can flaunt the law with relative impunity. They love getting free medical care at the expense of others.
But they don't love this country, they are Mexicans with no desire to be Americans. Their allegiance is to a foreign country, which is why they fly a foreign flag.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

They love the money they can make. They love the fact they can move around relatively unimpeded. They love the fact that they can flaunt the law with relative impunity. They love getting free medical care at the expense of others.
But they don't love this country, they are Mexicans with no desire to be Americans. Their allegiance is to a foreign country, which is why they fly a foreign flag.

Don't you love making money? Don't you love moving around relatively unimpeded? That's part of the American Dream.

As far as 'flaunting the law' and 'getting free medical care at the expense of others,' you're buying into the hype. I thought you knew better than that.

Most immigrants to the U.S., illegal or not, want to be Americans, and very much so--if not desperately. Lots of immigrants from all over the world, even their descendents, are still proud of their 'motherland,' and fly the flags. The Irish and Italians flags are an especially common sight.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yes it is, but these people and Bush, are not changing it for the better.

What is better? That is just opinion, even though I highly disagree with Bush on his stance on immigration for other reasons.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

They love the money they can make. They love the fact they can move around relatively unimpeded. They love the fact that they can flaunt the law with relative impunity. They love getting free medical care at the expense of others.

Oh please, I work with Mexican immigrants and most are here to feed their families, not to flaunt their immunity or take our wealth. Most just want to achieve the American dream. You even said it yourself.

http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=366418&postcount=67

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Horseshit, the American dream is not to become a millionaire. The American dream is to not skip any meals, not to watch your children die, to have a job so you can provide for you and yours, to be able to send your kids to school, and maybe own a home but at least have shelter. That's why all those immigrants came here.... because they couldn't get those basic things at home.

Yet somehow this is different for Mexicans?

If my family was starving in Mexico and I had to come to the US illegally to not see them starve, I would. It is a conflict of interests, not a good versus evil situation.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But they don't love this country, they are Mexicans with no desire to be Americans. Their allegiance is to a foreign country, which is why they fly a foreign flag.

You are making a huge assumption. How do you know that every illegal Mexican immigrant has no desire to be American? You are taking a minority and saying that every Mexican immigrant does that, which is flawed logic.

Also, I am sure many Mexicans do not want to join American culture but you can find that with almost every immigrant group. I've been in other highly immigrant influenced areas and they feel like a totally different country and it also seems that they also have no desire to become Americans as well.

There is no Mexican conspiracy to take advantage of Americans, the majority just want to feed their kids since there are no jobs in Mexico which creates a huge conflict of interests.

[busterb]

10-4

[elSicomoro]

Fuck yeah...that's what pure capitalism is all about. Isn't it great?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sycamore

Fuck yeah...that's what pure capitalism is all about. Isn't it great?

As long as we make it ok to shoot them as the try to enter the country illegally, sure. Would they be in season all year round? What's the bag limit?

[elSicomoro]

But what's wrong with making money? I thought capitalism was about making money.