Men Abortion and Choice

[Aliantha]

My point is that no one has a right to tell anyone what to do with their own body. How's that for reality.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

My point is that no one has a right to tell anyone what to do with their own body. How's that for reality.

Reality? Why aren't I allowed to do drugs?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Reality? Why aren't I allowed to do drugs?

Because some laws infringe on rights. In fact, according to you, all of them do.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Reality? Why aren't I allowed to do drugs?

Bruce, please go ahead and take all the drugs you like.

Good think I was talking about the fetus, half his.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Good think I was talking about the fetus, half his.

You know what, rk, you're dead right.

The answer here should be obvious to everyone.




The woman gets to cut the kid outta her, and then she can give it to the guy. If he can keep it alive, great, keep the little fucker.
You can not, can not, force the woman to keep it inside her. You have no right to do so.

Because that's what you're advocating, rk, whether you like it or not. You're advocating a man's right to have final, be-all end-all say over what a woman does or does not keep inside her.
I can't look at you and tell you, for any reason in the world, that you must or must not get a vasectomy, a tattoo, a circumcision, a plastic surgery, or any other medical procedure. I shouldn't be able look at a woman and do the same.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Good think I was talking about the fetus, half his.

Any chance you'll describe how your alternate law would work?

[Cicero]

I think this is a clear case of man's law vs. natural law...........compounded with the inherent ridiculous illusions of control and the pursuit thereof. I don't even think I want to wrap my brain around all this ridiculousness anymore.....it's just such an overtly outrageous and dangerous concept that I don't think I want to spend any more time considering the arguements for it. Nonsense. Just complete nonsense.

Rk is starting to sound like Gannet. There I said it......."she needs to sign this vow to have my baby" is what it sounds like.....I like you as a person RK but your trite and benign arguements are just too frustrating to try to speak to anymore. It's "Man's Choice" to also back down when he knows he's way off-base and needs to reconsider all the possible ramifications for such a decision. I hope you make the right one.

[BigV]

hey, rk. here's a proposed plan for you. I read that the fetus this and full custody that and none of this after the fact blah blah blah...

So. You find a man that feels this way? That he wants full custody of the child he fathers? No problemo. Get the agreement between the parties, man and woman, **before** the fact. Now, you've a leg to stand on. Now each person is making an informed decision. Informed consent. Discuss, agree, sign, sex, pregnancy, birth, custody.

--aside-- Talk about a mood killer.. yeesh.

But now there will be no surprises, no mistaken assumptions. He and she knew the job was dangerous when they took it.

I agree this is not foolproof. People change their minds. Happens all the time in all kinds of situations, even those as important and emotionally supercharged as this one. And still, people work it out. Build into the contract the "escape clauses" and the penalties for breaking the contract. Then you have a law that can be objectively evaluated. You have a structure that can be anticipated and navigated. Reform and refine as you go.

I daresay a man that protects his interests in this way, while effective, will ever have any interests to actually protect. What woman would sign? And a woman that would sign (and a man that would sign) would likely be bound by the unwritten social contract that is in effect every day.

But trying to enforce something like this **after** it has begun... not gonna happen. No contracts, no agreements of any kind get made when you mix up cooperation and compulsion.

Consent and coercion are mutually exclusive. One cannot be transformed into the other.

Not a bad idea, have the contract, keep it with you, and get it signed before-hand.
At least you would have legal standing after the fact.

[BigV]

Glad you like it.

I bet it would be a highly effective prophylactic. 100% effective.

[Flint]

Would the man, were he to have these "Equal Rights" over the fetus, have the option of FORCING THE WOMAN TO HAVE AN ABORTION?

Shoulda' made it bigger and put it in red.

[Flint]

You mean blood red, for the blood of the innocent victims, slaughtered in the name of equal reproductive rights?

LOL!!!