Recreational Drug Use Legalization - Page 7

TheMercenary · 03-10-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Why wouldn't a pharmaceutical company manufacture a legal drug?

That is not the question.

glatt · 03-10-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

That is not the question.

What are you talking about? That's the whole point of this thread.

If the laws are changed so that drugs that are currently illegal are made legal, why wouldn't a pharmaceutical company manufacture them?

Economics will not be the issue, because large pharma companies have the factories in place to make this stuff cheaply and efficiently.

Happy Monkey · 03-10-2008, 03:19 PM

RJ Reynolds and Absolut produce what I am told are passable products for prices that many can afford, and they have very few gun battles over turf.

TheMercenary · 03-10-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

RJ Reynolds and Absolut produce what I am told are passable products for prices that many can afford, and they have very few gun battles over turf.

And they don't spend billions in R&D for new types of drink and smoke. All drugs are regulated by the FDA. These manufactures do not have to go through the hoops required. You compare Apples and oranges. Not even close in your best fantasy of legalized highs.

Happy Monkey · 03-10-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And they don't spend billions in R&D for new types of drink and smoke.

They spend plenty. And, despite the restrictions in place, they probably spend even more on advertising. Common drugs wouldn't have to be researched all that much. Generic drug companies could jump in immediately. Production methods already exist for research purposes, so all that would be needed would be production facilities.

If a comany thought they could make a patentable version, they might want to pump in the R&D, but it would hardly be a requirement.

Undertoad · 03-10-2008, 03:34 PM

And Pfizer... we can include Viagra in that group.

Companies love products where demand is constant and there are few alternative products. (If apples are too expensive, eat pears. If smack is too expensive...)

TheMercenary · 03-10-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

And Pfizer... we can include Viagra in that group.

Companies love products where demand is constant and there are few alternative products. (If apples are too expensive, eat pears. If smack is too expensive...)

I bet there are more regular users of viagra and cialias then there are regular users of pot.

TheMercenary · 03-10-2008, 03:46 PM

Ain't happening dude, not in the US on a Federal level.

Happy Monkey · 03-10-2008, 03:47 PM

I didn't say it was. But that's a completely different issue from whether it would decrease the violence.

TheMercenary · 03-10-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I didn't say it was. But that's a completely different issue from whether it would decrease the violence.

We moved from the violence issue to economics, now you want to go back and rehash the violence issue. Go ahead make your case. You think it would decrease violence. I do not. Explain to me how it would decrease violence.

Happy Monkey · 03-10-2008, 04:25 PM

Go back? You switched to economics to claim that the price of legal drugs would keep the demand-side violence up. I disagree, but even if I grant that, the supply side of the violence would be gutted.

Like I said, corporate turf wars in the US seldom devolve to gun battles. If you owe money on a legit transaction, you don't turn up dead.

And, back on the demand side, legit drugs would be known strength and purity, which would drastically reduce OD deaths and deaths due to poisoning from whatever it would have been cut with on the street. So again, even if demand-side violence stayed constant, deaths would decrease.

TheMercenary · 03-10-2008, 05:07 PM

So you think that OD deaths are due to what they cut them with? Not. Other health problems are caused that.

No, what I said is even if you legalized them violence will continue. To think that the supply side would go away, sort of like carjacking, armed robbery, stealing to support your now legal habit? none of that would go away to support a now legit habit.

Maybe you might minimize some of the supply side violence, but I doubt it. People are not going to just jump out of the business if they can still get you product. How it is done and the quality of the black market may go up in response. What I have said is that none of these problems can go away over night because of legalization, in fact I think it will just open up an new can of worms we have not seen.

Happy Monkey · 03-11-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

So you think that OD deaths are due to what they cut them with? Not. Other health problems are caused that.

No, I think that poisoning deaths are due to the cutting, and OD deaths are due to ODing. Both would be reduced if the drug were of a known strength and quality.

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No, what I said is even if you legalized them violence will continue. To think that the supply side would go away, sort of like carjacking, armed robbery, stealing to support your now legal habit? none of that would go away to support a now legit habit.

Those are demand side. For the sake of argument, I granted that that could stay at the same level.

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Maybe you might minimize some of the supply side violence, but I doubt it. People are not going to just jump out of the business if they can still get you product.

They will if someone else is providing higher quality product with no fear of cops and much more conveniently and safely for customers. I doubt the junkies will be particularly loyal to their original suppliers.

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How it is done and the quality of the black market may go up in response.

If the black market becomes as cheap and safe as a supermarket, that would be a good result in itself.

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What I have said is that none of these problems can go away over night because of legalization, in fact I think it will just open up an new can of worms we have not seen.

Overnight is irrelevant.

TheMercenary · 03-18-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Overnight is irrelevant.

Actually the whole discussion is irrelevant because it is a fantasy to think it will ever happen. Drugs will never be legalized in this country the way you invision.

Happy Monkey · 03-18-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Actually the whole discussion is irrelevant

Well, thanks for starting it, I guess...

03-10-2008, 03:19 PM	#3
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	RJ Reynolds and Absolut produce what I am told are passable products for prices that many can afford, and they have very few gun battles over turf. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-10-2008, 03:46 PM	#8
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Ain't happening dude, not in the US on a Federal level. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-10-2008, 03:47 PM	#9
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I didn't say it was. But that's a completely different issue from whether it would decrease the violence. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-10-2008, 04:25 PM	#11
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Go back? You switched to economics to claim that the price of legal drugs would keep the demand-side violence up. I disagree, but even if I grant that, the supply side of the violence would be gutted. Like I said, corporate turf wars in the US seldom devolve to gun battles. If you owe money on a legit transaction, you don't turn up dead. And, back on the demand side, legit drugs would be known strength and purity, which would drastically reduce OD deaths and deaths due to poisoning from whatever it would have been cut with on the street. So again, even if demand-side violence stayed constant, deaths would decrease. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-10-2008, 05:07 PM	#12
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	So you think that OD deaths are due to what they cut them with? Not. Other health problems are caused that. No, what I said is even if you legalized them violence will continue. To think that the supply side would go away, sort of like carjacking, armed robbery, stealing to support your now legal habit? none of that would go away to support a now legit habit. Maybe you might minimize some of the supply side violence, but I doubt it. People are not going to just jump out of the business if they can still get you product. How it is done and the quality of the black market may go up in response. What I have said is that none of these problems can go away over night because of legalization, in fact I think it will just open up an new can of worms we have not seen. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-10-2008, 03:34 PM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	And Pfizer... we can include Viagra in that group. Companies love products where demand is constant and there are few alternative products. (If apples are too expensive, eat pears. If smack is too expensive...)

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