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Health interest groups get fuzzy financing
Firms accused of ‘money laundering their PR’; unions contribute millions Quote:
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Here are two tidbits I gleaned while perusing the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities’ site.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2996 The first addresses the concern that insurance companies will simply charge higher premiums if forced to cover people with pre-existing conditions Quote:
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OK, this is anecdotal, but it makes me mad as hell, and it shows what's wrong with our medical system yet one more time.
I have two wonderful friends in their late 50's. They are far from wealthy, but they were getting by. Jobs are hard to get in this rural, end of the world part of Colorado. The husband, "Joe," managed to land work with the forest service but he ends up getting laid off every winter for a few months - he does get unemployment from them. He also works odd jobs where he can. His wife, "Judy" was a prep cook at a restaurant here in town. They help other peope all they can, even though their budget is limited and their home is just a small trailer. Well, Judy just got diagnosed with emphysema. Since Joe is only seasonal at the Forest Service, it doesn't give him health insurance. Judy had limited insurance at her job, but she had to quit because she must now use a portable oxygen tank and can't be near a stove. The cost of an oxygen tank is prohibitive for them in their situation. The O2 company offered them a "deal" - a used tank which they can have for only $300.00. Never mind how they are going to pay for Judy's other treatment for her illness. I told Judy to apply for disability. To me that looks like the only solution to her problem. Disability isn't wonderful, but it will give her a small income each month, and most importantly, access to medicare. There is something dreadfully wrong with a system that chews people like these two up and spits them out. They deserve so much more. They have worked hard all their lives, and this is what they get? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! I don't know if the new health care reform will help people like Joe and Judy or not, but dammit, it should. ![]() |
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But Sam, if they had become lawyers or investment bankers they wouldn't be in this fix. Or they could have chosen richer parents.
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Insurance exchanges are only for a certain class of people. Not anyone can enter one.
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It is my understanding that the question of who will qualify for health exchanges is still up in the air as legislatures try to reconcile the House and Senate version of the health care bill. I keep finding different articles that say different things. Which ones are right?
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The Senate bill also allows new employees of these large employers to choose a plan from the Exchange as soon as they are created. The biggest difference between the plans is that the Exchanges are administered at the federal level in the House version and at the state level in the Senate and the state can chose to restrict or expand access to the Exchange. |
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. . . or gone into politics.
Srsly, sorry to hear of yet another tale of how the system is broken. It's gonna get better - certainly can't get worse, I hope.
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From what I understand, anyone who can get insurance through their employer has to get it that way. In fact when we changed to a new company they mandated that people took insurance with them to be employed. It caused a huge problem for some people as they tried to figure out if it was legal and those who had insurance via spouses or Tricare went back and forth with them for a few months until the finally gave in, but you had to provide them with proof that you actually had it. I think they were anticipating the coming changes in the reform. But basically you had no choice to get it on your own. And the new companies premiums are about $300 more per month on the family plan and the ductable is twice what our previous company offered. So basically they can do anything they want.
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Oh, the insurance companies will gladly participate, that is why they let the insurance insiders help craft the Bill. Of course this is a huge win for them that is what I have been saying all along. This will make them quite a bit richer. It remains to be seen whether or not they will allow open access to the exchanges. To date there is no evidence that they will allow those who get insurance through their employers to enter the exchange. They basically have those people by the balls and will continue to charge them ever increasing rates and co-pays.
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So the $10-20 million that the insurance industry has pumped into a media campaign in the last few months to kill the bill is just a publicity stunt because they like the legislation so much.
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The anti-trust provisions, again the House version is better, would also provide the mechanism (ending anti-trust exemption) for further controls. added: sam...here is a good explanation of the Exchanges in the House and Senate bills: In conclusion, if one believes the Exchanges are just a "fantasy", nothing is likely to change that. Last edited by Redux; 01-13-2010 at 11:14 AM. |
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'can also regulate (or negotiate) premiums' is not a mandate to do so or hold down costs for the already insured. The majority of companies, including medical device manufactures, have all stated they intend to pass any costs or increased taxation on to the consumers and insured. The difference between the Hose version and the Senate version is huge with the difference between state based exchanges and a nationally based exchange is significant.
In the end there is very little in the new bill that will hold down costs or control costs to the already insured. The insurance companies are happy with the compromise as they gain 30 million new sources of income, paid by the individual or paid for by the taxpayers, matters not to them. 10 million dollars is pissing in the wind for insurance companies, sort of like that BS number of how many jobs the current Congress has created with their whorish spending and artifically proping up the economy.
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CBO estimates that the cheapest plans for small businesses, by 2016, will approach $20,000 for a family. That is a SIGNIFICANT increase in costs. And that is for the cheapest plan. And they are not even sure if their numbers are correct.
Yea, I would say the insurance companies are going to come out way ahead in this Bill, and so does the CBO. Quote:
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So I do like how you cherry pick CBO data. |
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