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11-14-2008, 09:45 AM
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“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
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11-14-2008, 09:54 AM
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11-14-2008, 11:02 AM
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Meanwhile, Proposition 8 is about organized religion doing politics. They are supposed to have tax exemption because they have no political voice. Mormon Church can now be prosecuted? Or just taxed?
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11-14-2008, 12:13 PM
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11-14-2008, 12:31 PM
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Right on Bullitt
This is NOT about religion. Its about organized groups expressing their opinions. Taxes/prosecution have nothing to do with it either. IT could have just as easily been the NRA, the KKK, a union or whatever. Its all the same. Just because you dislike a group or their stance doesn't matter.
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11-14-2008, 12:33 PM
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Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya?
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Hmmm...even if it's ACORN?
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11-14-2008, 12:39 PM
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Advertise all you want, but do not screw with the system. That said, I'm not a fan of the Mormon church, esp. after taking my American religious history seminar, but the members are entitled to their opinions and can donate to support campaigning out of their own pockets if they so choose. They may be trying to persuade people one way or the other, but again it is the VOTER who casts the vote and participates in the actual decision. We have the power of choice and a majority of the people made their choice.
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11-14-2008, 04:38 PM
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The Mormon church instructed their people to donate to the violation of civil rights and to volunteer. It also excommunicated those Mormons who campaigned on the side of equal rights. That's right, the Mormon church, which has historically been a bastion of polygamy, actually has the temerity to use the phrase "sanctity of marriage". It's this simple. If a church gets involved in politics, they are no longer entitled to tax exempt status. This should especially apply to the Mormon church which owns many for profit companies. The Mormon church is a business, and it looks like they are selling discrimination and hatred... oh and some cult like salvation on the planet Kolob.
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11-14-2008, 12:41 PM
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Good one Shawnee!
The Mormon church spent $20 million to campaign for Prop 8, and many church leaders from Utah traveled to California to help and many other members phoned from Utah. THEY made this about religion. About a religious group sticking its nose into another groups right. |
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11-14-2008, 12:44 PM
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@ Bullitt: Aside from the fact that it was a few individuals in that organization who were screwing around, I'll agree with you there. However, I'm sure there is a Morman or two out there with some pretty questionable devices as well.
So, aside from the bad apples, you can't be on the fence on this one. I don't think you are, Bullitt, I was referring to the ACORN discussion prior to the election, where I might have had the impression that there was actual "line-drawing" on the part of c-man regarding the role of organized groups. IIRC, it was a no-no, then. No to recruiting voters for your cause. Unless you're part of a more radical group? Waffles.
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minutes till my next class  BUT, I am not on the fence on this issue in any way. I believe in individual and collective rights to express/advertise their opinions in whatever way they see fit so long as it does not break the law or infringe on the rights of others. What I have a problem with is people who seek to twist the balance of a democratic decision through direct action. Whether that be hacking voting machines or casting votes for the deceased. Whether it is a group or an individual who does this, the intention is the same to me and should be punished because it undermines the whole process: a collective decision made by the individual decisions of individual voters.
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11-14-2008, 01:31 PM
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Bullitt pretty much covered it for me. Have an opinion - whatever opinion, just don't fuck with or try to cheat.
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The rights of a single person are more important the opinions, desires, and votes of millions. In other words, YOUR VOTE DOESN'T MATTER WHEN IT COMES TO THE RIGHTS OF OTHER PEOPLE. You have a right to express your opinion. You do not have a right to violate the rights of others or to vote for government to do it for you.
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11-15-2008, 09:03 PM
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11-15-2008, 11:32 PM
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Whatever you say douchebag. I didn't say people should be thrown out for disagreeing with me. I said they should be thrown out for violating the rights of other citizens. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing on a subject. If that's all that was happening, there wouldn't be a problem. It's not the words of the right-wing dickheads like you that bother me. It's the actions. They are taking actions to violate the civil rights of one set of citizens simply because they don't like them. This makes them unworthy of living in America. In fact, it makes them unworthy to live period. If they get to decide on whether other people marry, then I get to decide whether or not they are allowed to live. Now run along you little cock jockey and try to pretend that I haven't beaten you in every political debate we've ever had.
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