What is a hobby breeder? - Page 4

Nirvana · 03-22-2009, 09:29 PM

Every pet I have ever sold is sold on a spay and neuter contract without registration papers. This is possible to do without making new laws. There are already plenty of animal cruelty laws on the books. Blaming people like me for the greed of others and the stupidity of pet buyers is ridiculous.

monster · 03-22-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana

Every pet I have ever sold is sold on a spay and neuter contract without registration papers. This is possible to do without making new laws. There are already plenty of animal cruelty laws on the books. Blaming people like me for the greed of others and the stupidity of pet buyers is ridiculous.

So they fail to S/N... they don't get the pedigree certificate. But they can still sell a puppy to people who don't care about the papers/don't know any better, just want the dog... for let's say, 75% of what you would have asked.....? Nice income, deal for the people who don't care about paperwork.... no, not your fault they don't care... but where did the desire come from?

/devilsadvocate

Nirvana · 03-22-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

So they fail to S/N... they don't get the pedigree certificate. But they can still sell a puppy to people who don't care about the papers/don't know any better, just want the dog... for let's say, 75% of what you would have asked.....? Nice income, deal for the people who don't care about paperwork.... no, not your fault they don't care... but where did the desire come from?

/devilsadvocate

Sure they could do that but pet millers are crying now because no one is buying their registered puppies. I don't believe I am responsible for anyone's desires.
If you were an actress in a movie and you were a slasher is it your fault that someone goes out and murders someone else?

TheMercenary · 03-22-2009, 09:32 PM

We bought all three of our Rhodesians like that, on a neuter contract. There was no problem. We did our part. And they have been great dogs. They were not much cheaper which was the down side of getting them from a breeder.

Nirvana · 03-22-2009, 09:38 PM

Rhodesian Ridgebacks are not a common breed and I suspect that they would be pricey no matter what.

DanaC · 03-22-2009, 09:42 PM

The puppy mills (via the big kennels) satisfy the 'need one now' market. If you buy from a breeder yu cant just walk in and walk out with your chosen dog. You can at a big puppy kennel.

Nirvana · 03-22-2009, 09:49 PM

I forgot to add most puppies of my breed from pet millers are more expensive in the pet stores than I and others sell our spay/neuter pets.
It is up to the consumer to do their homework before buying a pet. The "need it now" mentality is exactly right Dana and that is not attributable to breeders such as myself.
I am not responsible for the war in Iraq either!

monster · 03-22-2009, 10:00 PM

....you wrote the first post like it wasn't personal.... suddenly it is?

Nirvana · 03-22-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

....you wrote the first post like it wasn't personal.... suddenly it is?

Not sure what you mean, I can only explain myself personally.

monster · 03-22-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana

Not sure what you mean, I can only explain myself personally.

Well your first post was: this is what hobby breeders do and why.....and then when people pointed out that maybe not all of them do, you said (paraphrased) "well I do...I can't speak for everyone else"... and yet that's just what you seemed to be doing in the first post....

Nirvana · 03-22-2009, 10:18 PM

I never said I could not speak for anyone else, I only said what I do personally. Hobby breeders have learned to now have a strong lobbying influence. I only contributed to the first post.
A conglomeration of hobby breeders wrote it as information for legislators to understand how passing animal restrictive legislation punishes the people that are for one thing spending money in their districts.
Other things that have been done is that we keep a running tally of all the money we spend in various venues while attending dogs shows and performance events. This information is passed on to the legislative bodies. We are not the same as commercial pet breeders and some of the laws that are being put on the books would put unnecessary restrictions on those of us that are not really the problem or the source of the problem.

Undertoad · 03-22-2009, 10:18 PM

You can only do what you can do.

monster · 03-22-2009, 10:36 PM

Hey, I'm cool with what you do, but it's just that i can see the POV of those who aren't. Personally, i could live with all dog breed dyng out....

Nirvana · 03-22-2009, 10:45 PM

I can see why the uninformed have a problem with what I do but animal rights extremists have no right to tell me what to do.

Typical dog show weekend cost when I can afford to go. I am low balling it...

entries for two dogs two days- $100
gas to go- $50-$100
motel -$300
food -$75
vendors at the show[ dog supplies] $50-$100

There are 900-3500 entries of dogs at the show per day so lets say 700 to 2000 people for each day. Anyone can do the math here breeders like me spend way more money than we can ever hope to recoup breeding dogs. If you do away with our hobby you will do away with the revenues and some of the jobs this industry has created.

DanaC · 03-23-2009, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by monster

Hey, I'm cool with what you do, but it's just that i can see the POV of those who aren't. Personally, i could live with all dog breed dyng out....

Pilau was devastated to read this. I had to talk him out of asking UT to ban him...

03-22-2009, 09:29 PM	#1
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Every pet I have ever sold is sold on a spay and neuter contract without registration papers. This is possible to do without making new laws. There are already plenty of animal cruelty laws on the books. Blaming people like me for the greed of others and the stupidity of pet buyers is ridiculous. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-22-2009, 09:32 PM	#4
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	We bought all three of our Rhodesians like that, on a neuter contract. There was no problem. We did our part. And they have been great dogs. They were not much cheaper which was the down side of getting them from a breeder. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-22-2009, 09:38 PM	#5
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Rhodesian Ridgebacks are not a common breed and I suspect that they would be pricey no matter what. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-22-2009, 09:49 PM	#7
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	I forgot to add most puppies of my breed from pet millers are more expensive in the pet stores than I and others sell our spay/neuter pets. It is up to the consumer to do their homework before buying a pet. The "need it now" mentality is exactly right Dana and that is not attributable to breeders such as myself. I am not responsible for the war in Iraq either! __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-22-2009, 10:00 PM	#8
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	....you wrote the first post like it wasn't personal.... suddenly it is? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-22-2009, 09:42 PM	#6
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	The puppy mills (via the big kennels) satisfy the 'need one now' market. If you buy from a breeder yu cant just walk in and walk out with your chosen dog. You can at a big puppy kennel.

03-22-2009, 10:18 PM	#11
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	I never said I could not speak for anyone else, I only said what I do personally. Hobby breeders have learned to now have a strong lobbying influence. I only contributed to the first post. A conglomeration of hobby breeders wrote it as information for legislators to understand how passing animal restrictive legislation punishes the people that are for one thing spending money in their districts. Other things that have been done is that we keep a running tally of all the money we spend in various venues while attending dogs shows and performance events. This information is passed on to the legislative bodies. We are not the same as commercial pet breeders and some of the laws that are being put on the books would put unnecessary restrictions on those of us that are not really the problem or the source of the problem. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind. Last edited by Nirvana; 03-22-2009 at 10:26 PM. Reason: changed the word 'and' to as

03-22-2009, 10:18 PM	#12
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	You can only do what you can do.

03-22-2009, 10:36 PM	#13
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Hey, I'm cool with what you do, but it's just that i can see the POV of those who aren't. Personally, i could live with all dog breed dyng out.... __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-22-2009, 10:45 PM	#14
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	I can see why the uninformed have a problem with what I do but animal rights extremists have no right to tell me what to do. Typical dog show weekend cost when I can afford to go. I am low balling it... entries for two dogs two days- $100 gas to go- $50-$100 motel -$300 food -$75 vendors at the show[ dog supplies] $50-$100 There are 900-3500 entries of dogs at the show per day so lets say 700 to 2000 people for each day. Anyone can do the math here breeders like me spend way more money than we can ever hope to recoup breeding dogs. If you do away with our hobby you will do away with the revenues and some of the jobs this industry has created. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

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