Israeli naval commandos stormed a flotilla of ships - Page 2

classicman · 06-02-2010, 10:54 AM

I also saw in the jpost that there were some "other things" found while searching. Again, I haven't seen it anywhere else so I'm not posting it. I'm waiting to see what happens.

Shawnee123 · 06-02-2010, 12:27 PM

I would like salsa with my tortillas.

TheMercenary · 06-02-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

I also saw in the jpost that there were some "other things" found while searching. Again, I haven't seen it anywhere else so I'm not posting it. I'm waiting to see what happens.

BTW, NPR just did a great exam of the legality of the issue. It should be available Thurs on line.

spudcon · 06-02-2010, 03:39 PM

Anyone placing blame for the need for the flotilla in the first place. Wouldn't be because Egypt shut down the tunnels that were smuggling weapons into Gaza, could it? These people have been acting stupid for years, and when they finally get cut off because they would rather have weapons than food, the world is supposed to be outraged. I'll trust the Israelis any time.

Griff · 06-02-2010, 04:27 PM

Hoplophobe?

There are no clear good guys in this.

piercehawkeye45 · 06-02-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Hoplophobe?

There are no clear good guys in this.

Of course there are. Who just depends on which sides your looking from.

TheMercenary · 06-02-2010, 07:38 PM

I agree. There is much to be considered here.

Do we believe Israel or support Iran?

Do we support the cause of a Two State Solution or not?

GunMaster357 · 06-03-2010, 07:28 AM

My own opinion on the subject is that :

1) That flotilla was clearly a provocation.
2) The Israeli's reaction was clearly over the board.

One possibility would have been to get the boats in a controlled zone, unload them, check every thing under control from UNO soldiers (there are some in israel) and check each person wanting to get on shore again under some external control.

Another would be to Nuke the whole zone and render the place unusable from Turkey to Afghnistan down to Sudan including Saudi Arabia and Israel.

End of the contention over the place and who has the right to be there. End of the problem.

Not sure... A bit extreme... Perhaps...

spudcon · 06-03-2010, 07:54 AM

Just a bit, Gunny.

GunMaster357 · 06-03-2010, 08:01 AM

Sometimes, I wonder if a species as bellicose as the human race shouldn't be totally wiped out...

glatt · 06-03-2010, 08:05 AM

It'll happen. And the Earth will abide.

Undertoad · 06-03-2010, 02:45 PM

An Assault, Cloaked in Peace, points out Michael Oren, Israeli ambassador the the US:

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Millions have already seen the Al Jazeera broadcast showing these “activists” chanting “Khaibar! Khaibar!”— a reference to a Muslim massacre of Jews in the Arabian peninsula in the seventh century. YouTube viewers saw Israeli troops, armed with crowd-dispersing paintball guns and side arms for emergency protection, being beaten and hurled over the railings of the ship by attackers wielding iron bars.

What the videos don't show, however, are several curious aspects Israeli authorities are now investigating. First, about 100 of those detained from the boats were carrying immense sums in their pockets — nearly a million euros in total. Second, Israel discovered spent bullet cartridges on the Mavi Marmara that are of a caliber not used by the Israeli commandos, some of whom suffered gunshot wounds. Also found on the boat were propaganda clips showing passengers "injured" by Israeli forces; these videos, however, were filmed during daylight, hours before the nighttime operation occurred.

Nevertheless, and previous to any further investigation,

Turkey will "never forgive" Israel, says Turkish President Abdullah Gul

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The Turkish president has said that Israel's military raid on civilian aid ships bound for the Gaza Strip has caused "irreparable" damage to his country's relations with Israel, and will "never" be forgiven.

spudcon · 06-03-2010, 04:10 PM

Israel should say "Fuck Abdullah Gul."

TheMercenary · 06-03-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

It'll happen. And the Earth will abide.

Only the Dude Abides...

classicman · 06-07-2010, 11:10 AM

Gaza blockade: Iran offers escort to next aid convoy

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Iran has warned that it could send Revolutionary Guard naval units to escort humanitarian aid convoys seeking to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza – a move that would certainly be challenged by Israel.

Any such Iranian involvement, raised today by an aide to the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, would constitute a serious escalation of already high tensions with Israel, which accuses Tehran of seeking to build a nuclear weapon and of backing Hamas, the Islamist movement that controls Gaza.

"Iran's Revolutionary Guard naval forces are prepared to escort the peace and freedom convoys that carry humanitarian assistance for the defenceless and oppressed people of Gaza with all their strength," pledged Hojjatoleslam Ali Shirazi, Khamenei's personal representative to the guards corps.

The threat came as the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, dismissed a UN proposal for an international commission to investigate last week's commando assault on aid ships, in which nine people died. Another aid ship, the Rachel Corrie, carrying Irish and other peace activists, was boarded peacefully by Israeli forces on Saturday, escorted to the port of Ashdod, and its passengers deported.

Netanyahu has defended Israel's right to maintain the blockade by arguing that without it Gaza would become an "Iranian port" and Hamas missiles would strike Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Israel's undeclared aim is to weaken or bring down the Hamas government.

Iran continued to exploit the "freedom flotilla" affair to lambast Israel. Its foreign minister, Manuchehr Mottaki, told the Organisation of the Islamic Conference in Jeddah on Sunday that Israel's crime was "another instance of the Zionist regime's brazen and merciless treatment of Muslims, especially the oppressed Palestinian people."

Mottaki also called for a UN resolution condemning Israel. The security council is discussing imposing new sanctions on Iran because of its failure to meet international demands over its nuclear programme.

Iran and Israel have had no diplomatic relations since the 1979 revolution and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly predicts the disappearance of the Jewish state as well as denying the Holocaust.

more

I wonder if this is the diversion that Clinton was talking about over the weekend.

06-02-2010, 10:54 AM	#16
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I also saw in the jpost that there were some "other things" found while searching. Again, I haven't seen it anywhere else so I'm not posting it. I'm waiting to see what happens. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-02-2010, 12:27 PM	#17
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I would like salsa with my tortillas. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

06-02-2010, 03:39 PM	#19
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	Anyone placing blame for the need for the flotilla in the first place. Wouldn't be because Egypt shut down the tunnels that were smuggling weapons into Gaza, could it? These people have been acting stupid for years, and when they finally get cut off because they would rather have weapons than food, the world is supposed to be outraged. I'll trust the Israelis any time. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

06-02-2010, 04:27 PM	#20
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Hoplophobe? There are no clear good guys in this. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-03-2010, 07:28 AM	#23
GunMaster357 Professor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brest (FRANCE) Posts: 1,837	My own opinion on the subject is that : 1) That flotilla was clearly a provocation. 2) The Israeli's reaction was clearly over the board. One possibility would have been to get the boats in a controlled zone, unload them, check every thing under control from UNO soldiers (there are some in israel) and check each person wanting to get on shore again under some external control. Another would be to Nuke the whole zone and render the place unusable from Turkey to Afghnistan down to Sudan including Saudi Arabia and Israel. End of the contention over the place and who has the right to be there. End of the problem. Not sure... A bit extreme... Perhaps... __________________ "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." - Ambrose Bierce

06-02-2010, 07:38 PM	#22
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I agree. There is much to be considered here. Do we believe Israel or support Iran? Do we support the cause of a Two State Solution or not?

06-03-2010, 07:54 AM	#24
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	Just a bit, Gunny. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

06-03-2010, 08:01 AM	#25
GunMaster357 Professor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brest (FRANCE) Posts: 1,837	Sometimes, I wonder if a species as bellicose as the human race shouldn't be totally wiped out... __________________ "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." - Ambrose Bierce

06-03-2010, 08:05 AM	#26
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	It'll happen. And the Earth will abide.

06-03-2010, 04:10 PM	#28
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	Israel should say "Fuck Abdullah Gul." __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

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