Car question - Page 20

lumberjim · 01-15-2014, 08:43 PM

Yah. That's not supposed to happen.

busterb · 01-17-2014, 02:12 PM

Use 2 spring loaded clips of a size that will fit the plug, some insulated wire. Clip to plug and ground. I have one in the shop I've used for years on lawn mowers. No. No photo today.

Gravdigr · 01-17-2014, 03:16 PM

Don't like "The TW Treatment" I see.

Gravdigr · 01-17-2014, 03:23 PM

Jackhole.

Gravdigr · 01-17-2014, 03:24 PM

And if that is what you were referring to, you obviously know fuckall about tools.

Gravdigr · 01-17-2014, 03:45 PM

Aaaaand you don't know how to post a picture.

I'm done, now.

tw · 01-17-2014, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

Aaaaand you don't know how to post a picture.

Wow. You are so easily made emotional. Meanwhile 1) vise grips hold a spark plug to the block while the hand is inside the car turning the key. Did you think about that? 2) Vise grips clamped to the engine block mean vise grips are at zero volts. Did you think about that? 3) Vise grips holding a spark plug to the block means no hands need hold the vise grips. It is so simple that even a child can comprehend it.

BTW, be very careful to not take a piss using vise grips. Should you need that explained, then just ask.

busterb · 01-17-2014, 06:28 PM

Clip one end to spark end of plug other to ground.

lumberjim · 01-17-2014, 08:15 PM

Oh, glatt, I'm pretty sure tw just called you an idiot. Just sayin

tw · 01-17-2014, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim

Oh, glatt, I'm pretty sure tw just called you an idiot. Just sayin

The only idiot is the guy who posts insults because he cannot read. That is you, bro.

lumberjim · 01-17-2014, 10:20 PM

What insult?

glatt · 01-19-2014, 01:37 PM

Changed the plugs and wires, and it's working well now. Or at least for the 2 minutes I let it idle. We'll see how it does after running errands.

I suspect that the intermittent stalling problem was a separate issue, and may crop up again. But after considerable research, I suspect that the engine coolant temperature sensor is the culprit. Apparently a lot of Camry owners have had this problem and fixed it by replacing that sensor. But there's an easy test. If the problem manifests itself again, I just unplug that sensor. If it gets better, it was the sensor, and it needs replacing.

tw · 02-03-2014, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt

But after considerable research, I suspect that the engine coolant temperature sensor is the culprit.

If the sensor was defective, then charts from the Car Chip for that sensor would make the defect obvious. The sensor would report engine temperatures that make no sense. Or that change suddenly.

glatt · 02-03-2014, 07:26 AM

I never got a car chip report from that sensor that also happened at the same time the symptoms were occurring. The car chip is neat, but it can only track 4 things at a time. If you pick the 4 wrong things to track, it doesn't help you. When I did watch the temperature, it was normal and the car behaved normally. That's the big difficulty with this intermittent problem. How can you study a problem if you can't recreate it consistently? After I had settled on this sensor being a problem, the car behaved perfectly, so I couldn't test the theory by just unplugging the sensor when the stalling happened, and seeing if the car improved.

But I did check the resistance of both the new sensor and the old sensor at room temperature, and they didn't match. I played with the old sensor by running it under hot water, and it was cool watching the resistance change as the water got hotter. So the old sensor did something. Not sure if it was the right thing.

I'll tell you this though. My wife was talking about selling the car if this kept up much longer. So I didn't have the luxury of doing nothing and just waiting for the problem to happen again so I could study it some more. A $30 educated guess is OK with me. Better than losing thousand by having to get rid of the car and find a new one.

Based on a few different posts at Toyota Nation, where people had this exact same problem, and the ECT sensor was the culprit, I'm fairly confident this is going to fix it. We'll know if the car doesn't stall before the end of March. 2 months is the longest it ever went without stalling. I may be eating my words. We'll see.

tw · 02-03-2014, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt

I'll tell you this though. My wife was talking about selling the car if this kept up much longer. So I didn't have the luxury of doing nothing and just waiting for the problem to happen again so I could study it some more.

What!!! She wants to take away your fun?

01-15-2014, 08:43 PM	#1
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Yah. That's not supposed to happen. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

01-17-2014, 02:12 PM	#2
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Use 2 spring loaded clips of a size that will fit the plug, some insulated wire. Clip to plug and ground. I have one in the shop I've used for years on lawn mowers. No. No photo today. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

01-17-2014, 03:16 PM	#3
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01-17-2014, 03:23 PM	#4
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01-17-2014, 03:24 PM	#5
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01-17-2014, 03:45 PM	#6
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01-17-2014, 06:28 PM	#8
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Clip one end to spark end of plug other to ground. Attached Images __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

01-17-2014, 08:15 PM	#9
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Oh, glatt, I'm pretty sure tw just called you an idiot. Just sayin __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

01-17-2014, 10:20 PM	#11
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	What insult? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

01-19-2014, 01:37 PM	#12
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Changed the plugs and wires, and it's working well now. Or at least for the 2 minutes I let it idle. We'll see how it does after running errands. I suspect that the intermittent stalling problem was a separate issue, and may crop up again. But after considerable research, I suspect that the engine coolant temperature sensor is the culprit. Apparently a lot of Camry owners have had this problem and fixed it by replacing that sensor. But there's an easy test. If the problem manifests itself again, I just unplug that sensor. If it gets better, it was the sensor, and it needs replacing.

02-03-2014, 07:26 AM	#14
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I never got a car chip report from that sensor that also happened at the same time the symptoms were occurring. The car chip is neat, but it can only track 4 things at a time. If you pick the 4 wrong things to track, it doesn't help you. When I did watch the temperature, it was normal and the car behaved normally. That's the big difficulty with this intermittent problem. How can you study a problem if you can't recreate it consistently? After I had settled on this sensor being a problem, the car behaved perfectly, so I couldn't test the theory by just unplugging the sensor when the stalling happened, and seeing if the car improved. But I did check the resistance of both the new sensor and the old sensor at room temperature, and they didn't match. I played with the old sensor by running it under hot water, and it was cool watching the resistance change as the water got hotter. So the old sensor did something. Not sure if it was the right thing. I'll tell you this though. My wife was talking about selling the car if this kept up much longer. So I didn't have the luxury of doing nothing and just waiting for the problem to happen again so I could study it some more. A $30 educated guess is OK with me. Better than losing thousand by having to get rid of the car and find a new one. Based on a few different posts at Toyota Nation, where people had this exact same problem, and the ECT sensor was the culprit, I'm fairly confident this is going to fix it. We'll know if the car doesn't stall before the end of March. 2 months is the longest it ever went without stalling. I may be eating my words. We'll see.

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