Dec 9, 2010: KKK Wedding

[Lamplighter]

Groan...

[tombstone]

To Monster and Foot Foot Foot, who replied to my question of why IOD would even post this picture, and to all of you contributors-- Wow! I understand why now! What an excellent lot of thought-provoking conversation was stimulated by this image! What a great amount of history was recalled by it! I hope school kids will go on this site and read what all of you have to say! It sure points out the importance of knowing history and understanding it! I am impressed with all of the thoughtful, intelligent comments made by a group I am pleased to be a part of!

[John]

Originally Posted by tombstone

What a great amount of history was recalled by it invented in response to it!

FTFY.

I mean, seriously, you had the tone *almost* perfect, but I would have given you a couple of extra points if you'd properly classified KKK New Guy and Adak as engaging in creative, not historical, writing.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by John

I mean, seriously, you had the tone *almost* perfect, but I would have given you a couple of extra points if you'd properly classified KKK New Guy and Adak as engaging in creative, not historical, writing.

Not creative writing, like everyone relating first person experiences, it's perspective. What the writer took away from what they saw, which is not history... unless they're a pro on the winning side.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by John

FTFY.

I mean, seriously, you had the tone *almost* perfect, but I would have given you a couple of extra points if you'd properly classified KKK New Guy and Adak as engaging in creative, not historical, writing.

What?

You think the KKK was violent ONLY to blacks? Guess again. If you doubt what i said about the Southern Poverty Law Center, winning big in legal suits against the KKK, it's a matter of public record. They won *big*, including substantial real estate.

If you think for one minute that segregation was broken right after the Brown vs. Board of Education ruling was made, you're way off.

Why did president Eisenhower send in the 101st Airborne into Little Rock, Arkansas, to enforce it? Why was the Governor of Alabama making speeches about "segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever"?

If you didn't live in the South during those times, you probably have no idea what it was like back in the days before desegregation. America was a *very* different place, back then.

[Trilby]

(stage whisper) I think tombstone is effing with someone (stage whisper)

[footfootfoot]

Holy shit, I think that is the first post I've seen of yours with words, John.

[John]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Holy shit, I think that is the first post I've seen of yours with words, John.

Lots of my posts have words! They just also usually have pictures because I'm posting in the "weird-ass fucking pictures" threads.

Adak: Not only did you miss my point completely, but now you've trotted out the phrase "the coloreds".

Wow.

(Hint: The historical revisionism I was talking about was your conflation of the political parties of the Slaver's Rebellion and Jim Crow eras with the current ones that have similar names, but drastically different agendas. Well, that and your amazingingly misinformed description of what you think the Republican platform is, and why.)

[Adak]

Originally Posted by John

Lots of my posts have words! They just also usually have pictures because I'm posting in the "weird-ass fucking pictures" threads.

Adak: Not only did you miss my point completely, but now you've trotted out the phrase "the coloreds".

Wow.

(Hint: The historical revisionism I was talking about was your conflation of the political parties of the Slaver's Rebellion and Jim Crow eras with the current ones that have similar names, but drastically different agendas. Well, that and your amazingingly misinformed description of what you think the Republican platform is, and why.)

Political parties are dynamic; changing over time. The current Democratic party leadership is quite far to the left on the political spectrum, and desperately trying to spend us out of our economic problems, while continuing to massively increase the size of government. Like that works.

"I don't have enough money -- so I'll spend like crazy!"

Every government employee will have yet another paycheck the private sector (you and I), must support with our taxes.

The liberal to conservative slant of our political parties, is the major division I see between them. I do get riled when I hear some liberal ranting on about the racism they perceive, in the Republican party. As if the Democrats didn't have the most extensive racist history of any political party in the USA, by far. I remember Gov. Wallace and his ilk, all too well.

The word "coloreds" was not uncommon during the late 40's and 50's. It was not an offensive word, (all racist terms are offensive, but "colored" is only mildly so), being mostly descriptive, and used by more than just white folk. America was a racist place in those days. If you were around in those days, in the South particularly, you couldn't miss it. Words like this were needed, to describe the reality of the law, and the world we lived in.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Adak

The word "coloreds" was not uncommon during the late 40's and 50's. It was not an offensive word, (all racist terms are offensive, but "colored" is only mildly so), being mostly descriptive, and used by more than just white folk.

It certainly is a more accurate description today than African American is currently used for the people living in the United States who are of color other than white.

[xoxoxoBruce]

That's for sure, African American is a term which properly applied refers to very few people in this country, who hold dual citizenship with an African country and the US.

[morethanpretty]

Yeah, they were violent to white people who dared to sympathize with black people!

Overwhelmingly they were/are violent to black people. Any white people who were targeted were targeted for sympathizing or helping the civil right cause.
Don't try to pretend that everything they do is not about racial hate. It is.

[Lamplighter]

It was not only the violence and intimidation of Blacks.
The KKK were/are politically active against Catholics and Jews,
and essentially anyone else that was not white and Protestant.

Oregon has a significant legal and social history with the KKK.
Essentially, the basis for private schools in the US was established
by the US Supreme Court in ruling in 1925 against the KKK
and in favor of St Mary's Academy here in Portland, OR.

[morethanpretty]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

It was not only the violence and intimidation of Blacks.
The KKK were/are politically active against Catholics and Jews,
and essentially anyone else that was not white and Protestant.

Oregon has a significant legal and social history with the KKK.
Essentially, the basis for private schools in the US was established
by the US Supreme Court in ruling in 1925 against the KKK
and in favor of St Mary's Academy here in Portland, OR.

I actually realize that, just Adak's continuous arguments that the KKK is somehow not all about racial/prejudicial hate is really really annoying me. Somehow the fact that they sometimes target non-blacks makes them, what? Less awful? I don't understand what Adak's point is TBH. They are a hate group, their main focus is blacks.

[Lamplighter]

MTP, yes, point taken.

Oregon just didn't have enough Blacks to keep the KKK's busy.
The original State Constitution prohibited Blacks from owning real estate anywhere in the State. It wasn't until after WWII that significant numbers of Blacks settled in the PDX area.

Southern Oregon had KKK activity against the Native Americans, based on land and water rights, and the Chinese laborers who worked in mines and on the railroads. A history that still has lingering effects.

KKK...Oregon's "equal-opportunity" hate group.