Guns don't kill people ....

[BigV]

I think (in my opinion, hmm?) the law in Washington is not what it should be. I don't think a nine year old should be held responsible in this case, though that is how our laws are written. I believe the owner of the gun should be responsible. I'm all for personal responsibility and shit, and I don't know what kind of squawking the 2nd amendment fundies have made but there oughta be a law, y'know?

Otherwise, why not just have some little kid be your triggerman, be the babysitting bank robber or whatever. Who is the fucking adult in charge here? It had better not be a nine year old, running away from home who takes a gun cause he's scared.

[infinite monkey]

Guns don't kill people. People who rail about how guns don't kill people and how we need to educate kids about proper gun use but guns are lying around everywhere and for some reason the gun buddies don't actually get together and have this discussion so person number one has all their guns locked up so the kids can't get to them and decided kid number 1 didn't need the big gun talk yet because he couldn't access the gun closet but kid number 1 has a friend who is kid number 2 whose parents have educated about gun safety and therefore don't lock up their guns so kid number 1 and kid number 2 play together and gee whillickers why weren't all the parents doing what they were supposed to do to prevent kid number one from taking the really cool neato gun from kid number 2's house and shooting his sister like educating him and keeping guns locked up? Guns don't kill people. Idiots with guns do. Sometimes their offspring gets involved.

It's like when it comes to guns the whole world all of a sudden believes that all parents are good and smart and attentive and etc and so on...poppycock. That's an awful big fantasy world you create (and even suspension of disbelief doesn't help here) for the "right" to wave a big old piece of stupid metal around.


lookout in 5, 4, 3, 2...

[classicman]

Who is the fucking adult in charge here?

Thats the question I was trying to answer as well.
Legally, it is the uncle. However, I don't see how he should be held responsible for this.
IMO, the mom's boyfriend should be in serious shit for having a loaded firearm in the glove box of his car.
I wonder how the boy knew it was there and how he got access to it.
Was the frikkin car also unlocked???
A whole lotta WTF going on here.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by classicman

Thats the question I was trying to answer as well.
Legally, it is the uncle. However, I don't see how he should be held responsible for this.
IMO, the mom's boyfriend should be in serious shit for having a loaded firearm in the glove box of his car.
I wonder how the boy knew it was there and how he got access to it.
Was the frikkin car also unlocked???
A whole lotta WTF going on here.

It isnt the uncle. that's what I'm trying to explain here. the uncle is NOT LEGALLY responsible for shit here.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Why are we blaming guns for this? When I grew up I carried a pocket knife at school and usually had a gun in the rack of my pick up. We often hunted just before or after school. We never had these problems until about 15 years ago.

Because if the kid had only had a knife, or bat, or circular saw, or fist, the damage would have been less.

Originally Posted by classicman

I wonder how the boy knew it was there and how he got access to it.

My guess is that the criminal mother's boyfriend took it out and showed it to him, maybe as a threat, or maybe to show the kid how "cool" he is, cause all the cool kids pack heat. Maybe he showed it to him because his dick is small.

Originally Posted by BigV

It isnt the uncle. that's what I'm trying to explain here. the uncle is NOT LEGALLY responsible for shit here.

I'll bet he is. I don't know that I agree with it, but he IS the kid's legal guardian.

[Lamplighter]

Classic jibes with: Cars kill people

No...
Cars are operated to transport people, sometimes people are killed or only hurt.
Guns are operated to kill people, sometimes people are only wounded.

Trying to figure out who is responsible is very close to blaming the rape victim for being raped.

The NRA, with Grover Norquist and the other Board Members, are responsible by politically stopping
any reasonable and effective legislation to deal with our society's ability to control guns.
Likewise, the people who support the NRA are only slightly less responsible.

If you love the idea of hunting, but blindly accept the consequences
of the NRA's position, some independent thought might helpful.
.

[BigV]

yeah sarcasm and all... whatever.

this is obviously vastly more serious than sticks and stones, right? It is clearly an accident, and a terrible one, but a preventable one. The greatest mistake was made by the gun owner, but there is no criminal penalty for the gun owner's mistake. THAT is the part I'm complaining about.

Parents, imperfect parents, I'm not just a customer, I'm the fucking leader of the pack. I get that. Big, avoidable mistakes ... shit.

It's the parent/adult in charge/gun owner's mistake. But it is the two kids that are paying the price. That's wrong.

[infinite monkey]

Sarcasm? I assure you I wasn't being even slightly sarcastic.

Now git up thar on your little doggie and ride off into the sunset, pardner.

See, that was sarcasm.

I don't follow the fallback (finger in dimples) "oh gee I'm such an imperfect parent...chuckle I'm such a human being" excuse when it comes to kids getting their hands on firearms. Fuck that. You'd walk across fire to save your kid but you won't give up your fucking gun or be more "perfect" about it. (By 'you' I mean the general 'you')

Simple really.

[BigV]

Well, I didn't choose the quote button for your post, infinite monkey, but I'm sure I read a sentence in the post of your that said something to the effect of "lock up your sticks and stones". That was the sarcasm I was referring to. Perhaps you edited it out, perhaps I'm imagining it. Upon rereading your post now, there doesn't seem to be anything sarcastic about it.

I am not up in arms over your remarks, I am deeply saddened about this story in my area. I'm also very upset that our law is written the way it's written. Even if a civil suit is brought successfully against the mom/boyfriend/uncle whomever, I don't think that's enough of an incentive to strongly motivate people who own firearms to take reasonable precautions to keep them safe.

[infinite monkey]

I understand. I don't agree with the law either. I think I was using the thread as a rant area. (Clear the Rant Area...INCOMING.)

I did have a line about sticks and rocks but I edited it out: it was from an old conversation I had with my ex after Columbine and it didn't really fit here.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. It's very sad. Violence makes me very sad, intended or not. I can't even watch my local news anymore.

[classicman]

Guns are operated to kill people, sometimes people are only wounded.

Guns are operated to shoot targets, VERY RARELY people are killed or only hurt.

How many people are killed or hurt by cars vs. guns?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

Guns are operated to shoot targets

I think that's disingenuous.

[classicman]

No more than "Guns are operated to kill people"

Guns are operated to provide food.
That better? If not, I can add to the list.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

No more than "Guns are operated to kill people"

Guns are operated to provide food.
That better?

Yes

[classicman]

I am a gun owner. I do not belong to the NRA.
I use them almost exclusively to shoot at targets.
I have not killed anything with any of my guns in years.
I did not keep the guns in my home when my children were young.
I educated my sons (daughter not interested) about them.