any guitar players or musicians? - Page 2

maineiac04631 · 05-28-2012, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jimhelm

The guitar itself does not appear to be a typical classical guitar. They generally have no pick guard.

That and the 12th fret on a classical guitar is at the top of the body. I am sure this guitar came with steel strings.

I had this problem myself, all I did was switch that pin with the one on the next biggest string and luckily it worked.

wolf · 05-28-2012, 10:21 AM

I also am unused to classical guitars having bridge pins. That's typically a folk style guitar, ditto on the pick guard. My classical has the type of bridge in Ibram's picture.

The neck also looks more folk-like. A classical neck is wider, and I'm not used to the pearlized insets ... my classical guitar does have some guide marks, but they are on the side of the neck, not on the fretboard. Does that guitar have the steel reinforcing rod in the neck allowing you to use steel strings? Another mark that it's a folk, not a classical. And, finally, is there a pin on the bottom to attach a strap? My classical only has one because I had it added when I was a kid.

jimhelm · 05-28-2012, 10:25 AM

jimhelm · 05-28-2012, 10:45 AM

I'd never heard of a 'Folk Guitar' per se.... but they seem to be regular acoustic guitars with smaller bodies, strung with classical style strings to make finger picking easier.

I can make out the word Arbor inside there, lola.. is that the manufacturer? I found AN Arbor Guitar website, but they don't appear to make acoustic guitars at this point, and the logo is different from what I see there

Ibby · 05-28-2012, 11:48 AM

I've never heard of a guitar with a head, neck, and bridge like that being strung with nylon strings.
Make SURE that it's supposed to have nylon strings, or the tension on the neck will be off, which will warp and detune your neck.

wolf · 05-28-2012, 11:49 AM

folk = non-classical acoustic

jimhelm · 05-28-2012, 01:09 PM

right, but there are many sub categories. I have a Martin d28 or 37 or something.... damn, i can never remember. but it's shallower than my other two, lighter, and LOUDER.

My dad used to have a 69 Gibson Jumbo. HUGE big guitar. that one there looks like it might be a shade smaller than a regular guitar. What I found on 'Folk Guitars' said they were smaller, sometimes 3/4 necks. SHorter neck = looser strings = more bending notes.

My little backpacker guitar is a 3/4 neck, and I really like that aspect of it. Might be why it came with nylon strings too, Ib.

Lola Bunny · 05-28-2012, 09:38 PM

Yes, it is an Arbor guitar. This guitar was bought in the early 80's so perhaps it might be the same company. They just no longer make this type of guitar. To be frank, I don't even know what kind of guitar it is. It is also a possibility someone switched out the orginal strings and put the nylon strings in. The extra pack of strings I see in the case has thin steel strings for the strings first 3 or 2 strings. Sorry dont remember names. Damn...virus alert popped up. will continue later.

Flint · 05-29-2012, 11:32 PM

I'm experimenting with a symmetrical drum setup. Toms start at 8" in the middle and proceed in diameter, downward and alternating from left to right (for example, classic "descending fills" can start in the middle and can go in either direction). Each side of the kit has a set of cymbals of equivalent size and function, in the same relative positions.

The main asymmetry is the fact that only my left foot conrols a hi-hat (whereas both feet can play a bass drum note) but I am not $300 interested in correcting that--I do have a mirror-image fixed hi-hat on the right side.

What I am finding is that I have weakness or clumsiness in certain ranges of motion, and I am attacking those areas.

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ZenGum · 05-30-2012, 06:31 AM

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but interesting! Pic?

Flint · 05-30-2012, 11:18 PM

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but interesting! Pic?

Yes, actually.

#1: The symmetrical setup. This is mainly made possible by my main hi-hat being cable-controlled (a remote hi-hat allows the pedal placement to be independant of where the actual cymbals are located). I'm using a 12-inch "power depth" rack tom (from the 1980s) as my left-side "floor" tom.

#2: The symmetrical setup, top (diagrammatic) view.

#3: I was quite proud of this symmetrical hardware configuration. Note that the tom-mounting hardware hangs off the back of the rack, and is arranged in an an arc--allowing the snare drum to be surrounded by toms. I like this kind of placement because the drums are easy to reach.

#4: Last picture is a fairly standard setup with the same drums. Using a 16-inch floor tom here, and a Sabian "Rocktagon" as the ride cymbal.

ZenGum · 05-31-2012, 07:13 AM

As a non-drummer, the top arrangement looks much more intuitive and easier to play.

Flint · 06-02-2012, 11:37 PM

I learned from the most -symmetrical setup that moving the hihats into such an odd and far away position opened up some new playing ideas and approaches. I'm working on a hybrid between the two, but not yet ready to commit to the exact-middle hihat aka Bill Bruford, Danny Carey.

I also learned that having an 8" tom in primary, up-front position is annoying as hell. Kind of one-dimensional, whereas there are about 100 other things I can get out of a 10" in that position.

Basically, all of this is coming from the fact that I am now using a hardware rack, and "floating" instruments over the bass drum. This opens up a whole new approach to setup. I'm in a discovery phase. Fun stuff!

Lola Bunny · 06-05-2012, 10:46 PM

I redid my computer (virus attack) a few days ago but never came back to this thread to thank everyone for your advices. I will buy a new set of strings. My former music teacher (the one who taught me guitar) was probably the one who changed my strings. I'm sure of this because he was the one who picked out my guitar for me. I'm sure not why he did that. Perhaps because nylon strings hurt less than steel strings? Hihi....Anyways.....Thanks again for everyone's expertise. I'm glad to see we have another music question going on.

ZenGum · 06-06-2012, 04:15 AM

You might need to replace the peg that holds the string in.

I suggest you take the guitar into a guitar/instrument shop and get their advice.

05-28-2012, 11:48 AM	#5
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I've never heard of a guitar with a head, neck, and bridge like that being strung with nylon strings. Make SURE that it's supposed to have nylon strings, or the tension on the neck will be off, which will warp and detune your neck. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

05-28-2012, 11:49 AM	#6
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	folk = non-classical acoustic __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

05-28-2012, 01:09 PM	#7
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	right, but there are many sub categories. I have a Martin d28 or 37 or something.... damn, i can never remember. but it's shallower than my other two, lighter, and LOUDER. My dad used to have a 69 Gibson Jumbo. HUGE big guitar. that one there looks like it might be a shade smaller than a regular guitar. What I found on 'Folk Guitars' said they were smaller, sometimes 3/4 necks. SHorter neck = looser strings = more bending notes. My little backpacker guitar is a 3/4 neck, and I really like that aspect of it. Might be why it came with nylon strings too, Ib. __________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

05-29-2012, 11:32 PM	#9
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I'm experimenting with a symmetrical drum setup. Toms start at 8" in the middle and proceed in diameter, downward and alternating from left to right (for example, classic "descending fills" can start in the middle and can go in either direction). Each side of the kit has a set of cymbals of equivalent size and function, in the same relative positions. The main asymmetry is the fact that only my left foot conrols a hi-hat (whereas both feet can play a bass drum note) but I am not $300 interested in correcting that--I do have a mirror-image fixed hi-hat on the right side. What I am finding is that I have weakness or clumsiness in certain ranges of motion, and I am attacking those areas. [/non sequitur] __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio** Last edited by Flint; 05-29-2012 at 11:37 PM.

05-31-2012, 07:13 AM	#12
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	As a non-drummer, the top arrangement looks much more intuitive and easier to play. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

05-28-2012, 10:21 AM	#2
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I also am unused to classical guitars having bridge pins. That's typically a folk style guitar, ditto on the pick guard. My classical has the type of bridge in Ibram's picture. The neck also looks more folk-like. A classical neck is wider, and I'm not used to the pearlized insets ... my classical guitar does have some guide marks, but they are on the side of the neck, not on the fretboard. Does that guitar have the steel reinforcing rod in the neck allowing you to use steel strings? Another mark that it's a folk, not a classical. And, finally, is there a pin on the bottom to attach a strap? My classical only has one because I had it added when I was a kid. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

05-28-2012, 10:25 AM	#3
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	__________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

05-28-2012, 10:45 AM	#4
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	I'd never heard of a 'Folk Guitar' per se.... but they seem to be regular acoustic guitars with smaller bodies, strung with classical style strings to make finger picking easier. I can make out the word Arbor inside there, lola.. is that the manufacturer? I found AN Arbor Guitar website, but they don't appear to make acoustic guitars at this point, and the logo is different from what I see there __________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

05-28-2012, 09:38 PM	#8
Lola Bunny Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,728	Yes, it is an Arbor guitar. This guitar was bought in the early 80's so perhaps it might be the same company. They just no longer make this type of guitar. To be frank, I don't even know what kind of guitar it is. It is also a possibility someone switched out the orginal strings and put the nylon strings in. The extra pack of strings I see in the case has thin steel strings for the strings first 3 or 2 strings. Sorry dont remember names. Damn...virus alert popped up. will continue later.

06-02-2012, 11:37 PM	#13
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I learned from the most -symmetrical setup that moving the hihats into such an odd and far away position opened up some new playing ideas and approaches. I'm working on a hybrid between the two, but not yet ready to commit to the exact-middle hihat aka Bill Bruford, Danny Carey. I also learned that having an 8" tom in primary, up-front position is annoying as hell. Kind of one-dimensional, whereas there are about 100 other things I can get out of a 10" in that position. Basically, all of this is coming from the fact that I am now using a hardware rack, and "floating" instruments over the bass drum. This opens up a whole new approach to setup. I'm in a discovery phase. Fun stuff! __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-05-2012, 10:46 PM	#14
Lola Bunny Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,728	I redid my computer (virus attack) a few days ago but never came back to this thread to thank everyone for your advices. I will buy a new set of strings. My former music teacher (the one who taught me guitar) was probably the one who changed my strings. I'm sure of this because he was the one who picked out my guitar for me. I'm sure not why he did that. Perhaps because nylon strings hurt less than steel strings? Hihi....Anyways.....Thanks again for everyone's expertise. I'm glad to see we have another music question going on.

06-06-2012, 04:15 AM	#15
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	You might need to replace the peg that holds the string in. I suggest you take the guitar into a guitar/instrument shop and get their advice. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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