Buying a New Car

monster · 08-22-2012, 12:06 AM

US-centric thread, sorry.

I hate it. I need help. Yes, this is our second new car this year. Yes, the minivan, yes we need a new van. Must have slidey doors.

No more info about needs/lokes/wants b/c everyone ignores them anyway. Test drove the Town and Country today, quite liked it.

We're (apparently but it kinda surprised us given our upbringings.....) "buy new, run for 10+ years" kind of people.

need advice about buying new cars, current minivans, test-driving, dealer-speak etc.....

But before all y'all tell us how to bargain...... Beest is "in the industry-ish" and we get 1% below invoice on the T&C So if you want to advise on the price aspect, there's a starting point. (and again, all advice welcome, thanks)

monster · 08-22-2012, 12:09 AM

oh and getting finance is not an issue -focus is on total $ paid, not monthly payments, if that makes sense.... Although not complaining about a good deal -just hear that some people pick their cars by monthly payment regardless of final cost......

Clodfobble · 08-22-2012, 12:29 AM

I do adore our MPV. Which they are now apparently calling a "Mazda5" instead. But the thing that has always made it awesome is how the third row magically collapses completely flat into the floor, leaving a whole truck bed's worth of space in the back. I can't tell from the Mazda website if the damn thing even does that anymore.

monster · 08-22-2012, 12:37 AM

tx. the t&c does that too.

Minivans are called MPVs in the UK

Clodfobble · 08-22-2012, 12:42 AM

This is actually a rather timely thread for me--our previously mentioned MPV is displaying 175,000 miles of hard use right now. We are expecting it to be dead in another year or so, and need to start getting an idea of what's out there.

infinite monkey · 08-22-2012, 08:29 AM

Brother's family likes their Honda Odyssey...often hauling three kids and a large dog, and various other eccentrics, um...relatives.

It's sharp. State o' the art.

glatt · 08-22-2012, 08:36 AM

My understanding is the MPV is a different vehicle than the Mazda5. The Mazda5 is smaller and more fuel efficient and maneuverable with fairly cramped seating, and the MPV is a standard sized minivan with the fuel economy you would expect from one.

BrianR · 08-22-2012, 09:33 AM

We're actually replacing our 2000 Venture too. Probably next year.

Front running candidate for the new vehicle is the Toyota FJ.

Beest · 08-22-2012, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

Brother's family likes their Honda Odyssey...often hauling three kids and a large dog, and various other eccentrics, um...relatives.

It's sharp. State o' the art.

By all reviews Odysseys are the cream of the crop, with a price tag to match, I don't get any deal on them.

jimhelm · 08-22-2012, 01:01 PM

Give me a call tomorrow if I can help, monstah.

monster · 08-22-2012, 01:12 PM

OK so I'm pissed right now. I just got this email and I call BS. Am I right?

Quote:

Hi Monster,

I just got a call from a customer that wanted a base model Town & Country. The one you drove is the only one we have. When your husband comes in do you think you all would want that particular T&C that we drove? Availability is short with 2012s and if you want that vehicle I will not show it to this customer.

Thanks,

Suspected Wanker

Cueter Chrysler

This sound very familiar, having just bought a Fit in January. Is that a rat I are smelling?

orthodoc · 08-22-2012, 01:17 PM

I call BS. Classic car (and other type) sales M.O.

We had a T&C for about ten years; it was a pretty good car. Every North American vehicle we ever owned had major issues, though (the T&C had chronic A/C problems and the struts dissolved in rust; other cars were worse). Every Toyota we owned was great - driven to 200,000 miles with regular maintenance and no other issues.

If you drive a vehicle 10+ years, as you said, you might want to look at Toyotas.

glatt · 08-22-2012, 01:18 PM

"Yeah, buddy. You go ahead and show the car to that 'other customer.' Have fun with that."

jimhelm · 08-22-2012, 03:06 PM

Unimaginative, blatantly lying. Do not buy from a liar.

monster · 08-22-2012, 04:42 PM

It's just offensive, really. Did I really appear that dumb? I told him I'd walk away if he messed with me. Will he now have me on file as "his" so no other chrysler dealer can touch me? Ugh. Now I just want to pump more money into my 12yo Windstar to keep it running some more. I told you i hate car shopping and this is why.

I mean beest saw several of these models at the other dealership...... it's just this one is closer to me. And she said she could transfer between dealerships, yet he's all like "it's this one or nothing...."

*shudders and feels dirty*

08-22-2012, 12:06 AM	#1
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Buying a New Car US-centric thread, sorry. I hate it. I need help. Yes, this is our second new car this year. Yes, the minivan, yes we need a new van. Must have slidey doors. No more info about needs/lokes/wants b/c everyone ignores them anyway. Test drove the Town and Country today, quite liked it. We're (apparently but it kinda surprised us given our upbringings.....) "buy new, run for 10+ years" kind of people. need advice about buying new cars, current minivans, test-driving, dealer-speak etc..... But before all y'all tell us how to bargain...... Beest is "in the industry-ish" and we get 1% below invoice on the T&C So if you want to advise on the price aspect, there's a starting point. (and again, all advice welcome, thanks) __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

08-22-2012, 12:09 AM	#2
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	oh and getting finance is not an issue -focus is on total $ paid, not monthly payments, if that makes sense.... Although not complaining about a good deal -just hear that some people pick their cars by monthly payment regardless of final cost...... __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

08-22-2012, 12:29 AM	#3
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	I do adore our MPV. Which they are now apparently calling a "Mazda5" instead. But the thing that has always made it awesome is how the third row magically collapses completely flat into the floor, leaving a whole truck bed's worth of space in the back. I can't tell from the Mazda website if the damn thing even does that anymore. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

08-22-2012, 12:37 AM	#4
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	tx. the t&c does that too. Minivans are called MPVs in the UK __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

08-22-2012, 12:42 AM	#5
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	This is actually a rather timely thread for me--our previously mentioned MPV is displaying 175,000 miles of hard use right now. We are expecting it to be dead in another year or so, and need to start getting an idea of what's out there. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

08-22-2012, 08:29 AM	#6
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Brother's family likes their Honda Odyssey...often hauling three kids and a large dog, and various other eccentrics, um...relatives. It's sharp. State o' the art.

08-22-2012, 08:36 AM	#7
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	My understanding is the MPV is a different vehicle than the Mazda5. The Mazda5 is smaller and more fuel efficient and maneuverable with fairly cramped seating, and the MPV is a standard sized minivan with the fuel economy you would expect from one.

08-22-2012, 09:33 AM	#8
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	We're actually replacing our 2000 Venture too. Probably next year. Front running candidate for the new vehicle is the Toyota FJ. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

08-22-2012, 01:01 PM	#10
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	Give me a call tomorrow if I can help, monstah. __________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

08-22-2012, 01:17 PM	#12
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	I call BS. Classic car (and other type) sales M.O. We had a T&C for about ten years; it was a pretty good car. Every North American vehicle we ever owned had major issues, though (the T&C had chronic A/C problems and the struts dissolved in rust; other cars were worse). Every Toyota we owned was great - driven to 200,000 miles with regular maintenance and no other issues. If you drive a vehicle 10+ years, as you said, you might want to look at Toyotas. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

08-22-2012, 01:18 PM	#13
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	"Yeah, buddy. You go ahead and show the car to that 'other customer.' Have fun with that."

08-22-2012, 03:06 PM	#14
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	Unimaginative, blatantly lying. Do not buy from a liar. __________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

08-22-2012, 04:42 PM	#15
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	It's just offensive, really. Did I really appear that dumb? I told him I'd walk away if he messed with me. Will he now have me on file as "his" so no other chrysler dealer can touch me? Ugh. Now I just want to pump more money into my 12yo Windstar to keep it running some more. I told you i hate car shopping and this is why. I mean beest saw several of these models at the other dealership...... it's just this one is closer to me. And she said she could transfer between dealerships, yet he's all like "it's this one or nothing...." shudders and feels dirty __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

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