Merc - Wtf? - Page 5

footfootfoot · 12-02-2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibby

Don't use that word. It's a slur. It's deeply associated with the near-daily murder of trans* women. It's very much on par with other racial/ethnic slurs. Don't use it.

I'm deleting it from my lexicon right now.

Ibby · 12-02-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

I'm deleting it from my lexicon right now.

SamIam · 12-02-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

I'm deleting it from my lexicon right now.

And I will refer to Ibby as "she" from now on.

Lola Bunny · 12-02-2012, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

But realy this thread wasn;t started as an assessment of Merc's flaws and qualities. It was just a call out, if he's reading, that he is missed. Not by everybody. But by some. Like any of us really.

I agree!

Undertoad · 12-02-2012, 07:32 AM

Well on one hand, angry idealism is such a masculine quality. But a five-year grudge over one insensitive comment is something only a chick would do.

~ i kid the ibster ~

Trilby · 12-02-2012, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Well on one hand, angry idealism is such a masculine quality. But a five-year grudge over one insensitive comment is something only a chick would do.

I DID see this. the above is in reply.

It's a comment that is beneath you, Toad.

footfootfoot · 12-02-2012, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Trilby

I DID see this. the above is in reply.

It's a comment that is beneath you, Toad.

At the risk of losing all my sexiness points in one fell swoop, I thought UT's crack was kind of funny.

Clodfobble · 12-02-2012, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Another, and maybe a better, reason is to not let bigoted remarks stand without challenge or renunciation.

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Originally Posted by SamIam

If someone feels strongly enough about an issue, of course they should speak out. Even if their opinion is not popular. Even if everyone else disagrees.

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Originally Posted by DanaC

For the record, I was not suggesting that Ibs allow bigoted comments to go unchallenged. If Merc were here now and made a bigoted comment, I imagine I'd be in the queue to slam that comment down.

Right. Because people's minds can be changed, and bigotry doesn't have to be permanent. As was my point.

Trilby · 12-02-2012, 07:49 AM

Merc would never change his views.

and as far as holding a grudge for five years....well, yes, I have. When i was feeling low and he suggested I commit suicide-that rather clinched it for me. Yes, let's all sing of our hail fellow Merc who was mean, cruel, bullying person. He would NEVER change his views or let the light of reason slap him across his face.

Let's lament his going.

so long, merc! don't let the door hit ya in the ass as you leave!

you're all romancing him. He was a total mean, hateful, bigoted asswipe. all this going on about his wonderfulness and ability to engage as a human-ha~! you are all far, FAR too PC. He wouldn't cross the street to shit on most of you. ESp. the like of you liberals-which is everyone but himself and a few select others. I started a thread on Paula Deen once for christsakes and he couldn't keep his bigoted mouth shut even about THAT.

Le Douche Bag-Farewell. I will NOT miss you.

Undertoad · 12-02-2012, 08:52 AM

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When i was feeling low and he suggested I commit suicide-that rather clinched it for me

I reprimanded him for that too, and yet on the other hand if you want to judge people with the most optimism about who they are:

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Like I said. I had no idea about the individuals history or I never would have made the comment. Ever. I am not out to hurt broken people.

So. You have nearly 4 years on this grudge. Feel free, you're welcome to it, but I can't see living life that way. Too much wasted energy. You found something to hate him for, perhaps because you wanted to with his outrageous points of view. But when you hate, who do you hurt the most? Hate hurts you. Hate hurts you!

If you want to defeat your enemy SING HIS SONG

Lamplighter · 12-02-2012, 08:57 AM

UT, When it happens once, it's an accident or mistake.
When it is repeated time and again... it's reputation.

Stormieweather · 12-02-2012, 10:09 AM

Hmm.

In my opinion, intolerance of intolerance is still intolerance. Tolerance does not involve neutrality, it, by it's very definition, requires that you disagree with whom/whatever you are tolerating. Also, tolerating a person and/or idea is much different from tolerating behavior. Disagreeing with someone's opinion is not a personal indictment of their character.

I didn't care for many of Merc's political/social stances, but liked a lot of other facets of him - his family, work ethic, kids, etc.

And yes, I quite enjoy interacting with people of opposing views, as long as it doesn't get personally aggressive. I like the growth that comes from trying to understand where people I disagree with are coming from. And if I find someone is behaving in a way that I will not tolerate, instead of trying to change THEM, I just remove myself from the interaction.

orthodoc · 12-02-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormieweather

Hmm.

In my opinion, intolerance of intolerance is still intolerance. Tolerance does not involve neutrality, it, by it's very definition, requires that you disagree with whom/whatever you are tolerating. Also, tolerating a person and/or idea is much different from tolerating behavior. Disagreeing with someone's opinion is not a personal indictment of their character.

I didn't care for many of Merc's political/social stances, but liked a lot of other facets of him - his family, work ethic, kids, etc.

And yes, I quite enjoy interacting with people of opposing views, as long as it doesn't get personally aggressive. I like the growth that comes from trying to understand where people I disagree with are coming from. And if I find someone is behaving in a way that I will not tolerate, instead of trying to change THEM, I just remove myself from the interaction.

Not up to a coherent contribution today, but I like the way Stormie put this. And the quote from UT (Merc saying he would never have said what he did if he'd known the background) - doesn't make it okay for Merc to have said that, but illustrates the point about separating words from person.

Pico and ME · 12-02-2012, 11:42 AM

Merc knows where he stands with many of the posters here. And he knows the kind of push back he will get if he were to come back without moderating his aggresively insulting posting style. Maybe Glatts pm to him finally made him realize that he went too far and doesnt really have the support here that he thought he had. Not too many people will tolerate repeatedly dickish behavior.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-02-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Trilby

...When i was feeling low and he suggested I commit suicide-that rather clinched it for me...

I was prepared to offer the undertaker a large pile of cash.

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He wouldn't cross the street to shit on most of you. ESp. the like of you liberals-which is everyone but himself and a few select others. I started a thread on Paula Deen once for christsakes and he couldn't keep his bigoted mouth shut even about THAT.

So you would rather the Cellar be a cuddlefest, than hear/know what a very large segment of the population thinks?

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

At the risk of losing all my sexiness points in one fell swoop, I thought UT's crack was kind of funny.

Me too. Well, no points at risk, but the funny.

12-02-2012, 07:49 AM	#9
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Merc would never change his views. and as far as holding a grudge for five years....well, yes, I have. When i was feeling low and he suggested I commit suicide-that rather clinched it for me. Yes, let's all sing of our hail fellow Merc who was mean, cruel, bullying person. He would NEVER change his views or let the light of reason slap him across his face. Let's lament his going. so long, merc! don't let the door hit ya in the ass as you leave! you're all romancing him. He was a total mean, hateful, bigoted asswipe. all this going on about his wonderfulness and ability to engage as a human-ha~! you are all far, FAR too PC. He wouldn't cross the street to shit on most of you. ESp. the like of you liberals-which is everyone but himself and a few select others. I started a thread on Paula Deen once for christsakes and he couldn't keep his bigoted mouth shut even about THAT. Le Douche Bag-Farewell. I will NOT miss you. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum Last edited by Trilby; 12-02-2012 at 07:55 AM.

12-02-2012, 10:09 AM	#12
Stormieweather Wearing her bitch boots Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Floriduh Posts: 1,181	Hmm. In my opinion, intolerance of intolerance is still intolerance. Tolerance does not involve neutrality, it, by it's very definition, requires that you disagree with whom/whatever you are tolerating. Also, tolerating a person and/or idea is much different from tolerating behavior. Disagreeing with someone's opinion is not a personal indictment of their character. I didn't care for many of Merc's political/social stances, but liked a lot of other facets of him - his family, work ethic, kids, etc. And yes, I quite enjoy interacting with people of opposing views, as long as it doesn't get personally aggressive. I like the growth that comes from trying to understand where people I disagree with are coming from. And if I find someone is behaving in a way that I will not tolerate, instead of trying to change THEM, I just remove myself from the interaction. __________________ "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi

12-02-2012, 11:42 AM	#14
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Merc knows where he stands with many of the posters here. And he knows the kind of push back he will get if he were to come back without moderating his aggresively insulting posting style. Maybe Glatts pm to him finally made him realize that he went too far and doesnt really have the support here that he thought he had. Not too many people will tolerate repeatedly dickish behavior. __________________ Jesse LaGreca in 2012 “Seven Deadly Sins: Wealth without work, Pleasure without conscience, Science without humanity, Knowledge without character, Politics without principle, Commerce without morality, Worship without sacrifice.” – Mahatma Gandhi

12-02-2012, 07:32 AM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Well on one hand, angry idealism is such a masculine quality. But a five-year grudge over one insensitive comment is something only a chick would do. ~ i kid the ibster ~

12-02-2012, 08:57 AM	#11
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	UT, When it happens once, it's an accident or mistake. When it is repeated time and again... it's reputation.

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