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Holder Tells Russia Snowden Won’t Face Torture or Death...
Water-boarding or a few other extreme interrogation techniques ? Well maybe. But NO torture... and death would certainly be something of an "Ooooops" |
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In other news, Holder grants Snowden immortality, apparently.
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And the beat goes on... 32 pages of newly declassified documents
that show details of even larger surveillance "projects" NY Times CHARLIE SAVAGE Published: July 31, 2013 U.S. Outlines N.S.A.’s Culling of Data for All Domestic Calls Quote:
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The Guardian
Glenn Greenwald 8/4/13 Members of Congress denied access to basic information about NSA Quote:
NBC News Michael Isikoff 6/12/13 Secret court won't object to release of opinion on illegal surveillance Quote:
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I flatly refuse to believe that the government is only intercepting communications of foreigners.
I know that should some American citizen (wacko extremist though he may be) located in the country, make mention of some threat to the president, that it would be acted upon, even though the aforementioned wacko extremist was previously unknown to the government. Where is the fucking due process in this whole farce? Where is the check and balance of the three co-equal branches of government? Where is the transparency? sickening!
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Screw checks and balances, no branch should be actively subverting the Constitution and right now by my count we are at two and three is likely.
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Some Dwellars may remember this post....
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Washington Post Ellen Nakashima 9/8/13 Obama administration had restrictions on NSA reversed in 2011 Quote:
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The Black Budget
Let's play the reallocation game! What would you do with $52.6 Billion a year that have demonstrably made us less free and likely less safe? Education, science research, space exploration, roads and bridges,...
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The beat goes on...monotonously and sadly
This article refers to NSA's collection and use of emails, social media, etc., to link people to others, who travels with whom, where they go. Washington Post Ellen Nakashima 9/28/13 NSA said to be studying some Americans’ social connections using e-mail, call data Quote:
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well, defense against the subversion of the constitution is what checks and balances is all about, but never mind that quibble.
I think the core of this problem is a fattening and softening of American attitudes, BY DESIGN, by those who can profit from it, either by increasing their wealth or their power or both. By having unrealistic attitudes like "protect me from everything at all times" "be afraid of _________" "with us or agin us" repeatedly and relentlessly promoted, it gives ideas like this traction. Someone(s) will say, I can provide that protection, just sign here, or rather, look away while I "protect you" and by "protect you" I mean agglomerate more power and money to myself. THEY'RE culpable for two reasons, simple greed for money and power, and by mistrusting the toughness (indeed, breeding it out of our attitudes) and resilience of regular, civilian citizens.
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Amen, brother V.
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The Drug Enforcement Administration has been the recipient of multiple tips from the NSA. DEA officials in a highly secret office called the Special Operations Division are assigned to handle these incoming tips, according to Reuters. Tips from the NSA are added to a DEA database that includes “intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records.” This is problematic because it appears to break down the barrier between foreign counter-terrorism investigations and ordinary domestic criminal investigations.
On and on...
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