Dirt poor?

[zippyt]

Originally posted by zippyt


And if the kids DO get to deside , just WHAT do we DO with this great uneducated mass of folks ???


marine corps?

Only if they have homicidealy tendedcys !!!!!!


But the questien is What have YOU done for your country ????

[wolf]

Originally posted by Radar
I'm obviously joking about the religion thing. I don't even believe in god. But I am an ordained minister.

Universal Life Church doesn't count!

[Brigliadore]

Originally posted by Radar
I'm working at Boeing.

My memory is rusty, where is the Boeing facilities? I know JPL has some buildings in Northridge (or was it more like Canoga Park?) and Lockheed has facilities up in Lancaster. But I cant for the life of me remember where Boeing has its facilities.

[Radar]

Uhh who desides this ?? You and your liberterian buddies , the grand councile ??? The kids them selfs ( who going thru school wouldn't have Loved to have this decision ) ???

Their parents make that decision as they do all others until they're grown.

And if the kids DO get to deside , just WHAT do we DO with this great uneducated mass of folks ??? Are they the folks that build the monuments to the great Libertarian gods ????

We wouldn't have any more of a great mass of uneducated folks than we already do. The difference is they'd have a few more years of work under their belts as an apprentice to learn a trade and be able to earn a living other than by flipping burgers.

marine corps?

LOL

But the questien is What have YOU done for your country ????

I served in the U.S. Navy and I still uphold my oath to uphold and defend the Constitution (unlike those soldiers in Iraq), I educate my fellow citizens, and I help true patriots get elected.

Universal Life Church doesn't count!

Sure it does. I can legally perform weddings. My friend does it.

My memory is rusty, where is the Boeing facilities? I know JPL has some buildings in Northridge (or was it more like Canoga Park?) and Lockheed has facilities up in Lancaster. But I cant for the life of me remember where Boeing has its facilities.

I'm working in the Torrance location, but Boeing is all over the place. Most of Boeing Sattelite Systems is in El Segundo, but the Electron Dynamics Division is like our own autonomous area a few miles away in Torrance. But there are facilities in Seal Beach, and all over the country. The El Segundo buildings were all Hughes Space and Communications before but got bought by Ratheon, Boeing, and others. I did work for Hughes too.

[jaguar]

I'm sure when a mugger attacks and old lady who happens to be armed and takes him out with a 44 magnum, you compare her to Hitler.

You said you would kill people who wanted income tax.

Everyone take 3 big steps back and look at that statement.
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Right.

Learn what trade exactly? Carpentry? I can see it in 20 years now "America thunders back into the position of the world's most powerful economy with massive exports of handmade chairs"

Seriously, how many trades are left in this day and age. If it's manual labour, construction being the obvious exception, it's pretty much been outsourced.

[Radar]

You said you would kill people who wanted income tax.

No, I said I'd kill those who tried to stop me from eliminating 100% of the Constitutional parts of government including income taxes. They can want anything and I'm not bothered. It's when they act on it that I have a problem. A man can want to steal what's mine, but until he actually starts stealing it I won't do anything against him.

Seriously, how many trades are left in this day and age. If it's manual labour, construction being the obvious exception, it's pretty much been outsourced.

Plumbers make more money than many doctors. There's fiber optic technicians, electricians, mechanics, bartenders, truck drivers, cooks, brick layers, mail delivery, cement workers, luggage handlers, orderlies in hospitals or old folks homes, security guards, dock workers, road workers, factory workers (America still has factories), and dozens upon dozens of other jobs including....you guessed it.....carpentry. I don't know if you noticed it, but people still build things, still eat, still go on vacations, etc. For everything that needs to be done, there's someone out there to do it.

[Clodfobble]

Seriously, how many trades are left in this day and age. If it's manual labour, construction being the obvious exception, it's pretty much been outsourced.

I hear PA's gonna need a lot more inspectors soon...

[lumberjim]

Originally posted by zippyt


But the questien is What have YOU done for your country ????

I've paid lots of taxes. And i've helped many many people get financing for their cars so that they can get to work and contribute to the GNP.

I know you served in the corps, and I respect that, but what have YOU done for your country?

Is just serving your term in the military ACTUALLY contributing to the country? From a financial standpoint, your salary was paid by taxpayers, as was your food, clothing and training. Can you honestly say that you have done MORE than I have for this country?

It's an interesting topic, and my opinion is not fully formed, so please don;t think that i'm saying that i don;t think military service is of value, i'm just saying that you shouldn;t take a superior tone with people who have not actually enlisted just because you DID. we all contribute to the country...just in different ways.

[Radar]

Good point lumberjim. Government doesn't contribute wealth to society, it's drains it. If you are one of the countless bureaucrats or even a member of a bloated and oversized military that is being used for offense rather than defense in one of the many unnecessary positions being filled, you're not contributing, you're doing just the opposite.

[ladysycamore]

I'll probably just start my own business that mostly deals in cash and report far less than what I actually make or even report losses so I can prevent being victimized by those who would rob me.

Comeing to a jail near you Radar for tax fraud !!!!!

From your lips to God's ears...

I don't even believe in god. But I am an ordained minister.

So if you don't beleve in god , just what religen are you "ordaned" in ?????? The Universal church of Radar ????

Kee-rist almighty, does it get any wackier???? A non belief in God, but managed to be ordained as a minister...scary!

Perhaps a more warped version of the Branch Davidians? (or as I like to call them, "the wackos in Waco")

[Beestie]

I'm scratching my head to come up with a word for an atheist minister. Radar, your pretty literate - help me out here.

[jaguar]

truck drivers, brick layers, mail delivery, cement workers, luggage handlers, orderlies in hospitals or old folks homes, security guards, dock workers, road workers, factory workers (America still has factories), and dozens upon dozens of other jobs including....you guessed it.....carpentry. I don't know if you noticed it, but people still build things, still eat, still go on vacations, etc. For everything that needs to be done, there's someone out there to do it.

And they're all so much better jobs than flipping burgers. Lets face it, they're all the bottom of the food chain. They're mostly taken by immigrants who can't get anything else.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally posted by Beestie
I'm scratching my head to come up with a word for an atheist minister. Radar, your pretty literate - help me out here.

Scholar? Faculty?

[Radar]

I'm scratching my head to come up with a word for an atheist minister. Radar, your pretty literate - help me out here.

They call the ones who do believe in god, "A Man of God" so why not "A Man of Reason"? Or just plain ol' "Minister"

And they're all so much better jobs than flipping burgers. Lets face it, they're all the bottom of the food chain. They're mostly taken by immigrants who can't get anything else.

Yes, they are leaps and bounds better than flipping burgers. Try triple the pay even for an apprentice. That's hardly "bottom of the food chain". I'd rather do any of those jobs than burger flipping. And these jobs aren't picking fruit, they're great jobs that pay well enough to support a family. In fact I'd be willing to bet there are quite a few plumbers who make more money than you.

Originally posted by Beestie
I'm scratching my head to come up with a word for an atheist minister. Radar, your pretty literate - help me out here.

How about the "Irreverant Reverend?" Radar became a minister because this allows him to dodge various taxes, folks. Its a tried and true Libertarian ploy. One of the things that intrigues me is that Radar gets to decide which laws he will follow and which he won't because he has apparently gotten the direct word from John or Samuel Adams and he knows the TRUTH while the rest of us do not. Actually, the voice whispering in Radar's ear is that of Ayn Rand. I've mentioned her name before. All Libertarian philosophy can be traced directly back to the writings of Ms. Rand who founded a school of thought called "Objectivism" back in the early 50's.

Radar parrots Ayn Rand left and right (mostly extreme right, of course). She is the one who popularized the statement that income taxes amount to slavery and the taking of one's life. Ms. Rand (a pen name, by the way) started out life as a member of the Russian aristocracy. Her life of wealth and priviledge was rudely interrupted by the Russian revolution of 1914. After much hardship and suffering she managed to escape Russia for the US where she settled in New York and began to turn out lengthy pot boiler novels like THE FOUNTAINHEAD and ATLAS SHRUGGED.

Her writings found a receptive audience in the cold war hysteria of the early 50's. She sounds good at first reading, but upon reflection it is easy to see how what she writes is a hysterical over reaction to her experiences under communist repression. Yeah, communism is a lousey idea, but near anarchy, extreme right wing Libertarism is not the correct response.

Ms. Rand had no formal training in economics nor was she a student of American history. His thinking was reactionary in nature and flawed at almost every turn. Yet her philosophy is the basis for Libertarianism and Radar would shoot those of us who do not agree with her.

Just what have YOU done for your country, Radar, besides break its laws and spout a hate-based political agenda ("I will shed blood...")? Did you see combat during the course of your military duty? My father was career military and served the United States in World War II, the Korean conflict, and two tours in Vietnam. He also paid his taxes and voted in every election. He wasn't Libertarian, however, and would have opposed your attempts to take over this country. For this you would have executed him?

I have nothing but contempt for you, Radar. Stop driving on the Interstate you never paid for and go serve your country on the front lines. You live under a political system you won't pay a dime to support, benefiting by the sacrifices other Americans such as my father made and you threaten with death those who don't go along with your narrow minded, selfish little agenda. You lack the vocabulary to respond with anything other than obscenities toward those who call you upon your words. As far as I am concerned, YOU are the parasite.