Jonathan Pie explains it - Page 4

classicman · 12-01-2016, 11:31 AM

Yup, I'm sure everyone is THRILLED with this choice.

Flint · 12-01-2016, 11:46 AM

Awesome, because what we needed was more people on both sides of the aisle being absolutely disgusted with the tone-deafness of their own party, mentally checking out of the whole political process, and reluctantly voting for garbage candidates.

Undertoad · 12-02-2016, 07:15 AM

The state of journalism.

Undertoad · 12-02-2016, 07:31 AM

It's personal anecdote time

Back in 1999 my then friend Thom (cellar username: darling) developed a large amount of the Eagles' web site, and I helped; and on Draft Day 1999, we were in the media room, building the Draft Day page as facts developed. It was supposed to be the first time fans could follow the draft on the site. No live video, this was 1999, but we would update the page throughout the day and have stories and details and whatnot.

When Donovan McNabb was drafted, one of the first things that went down was a live chat with Donovan and the fans.

After it happened we set up a web page with a bunch of questions, along with McNabb's responses to them. A bunch of reporters happened to be looking over my shoulder as I set it up, and they all kinda noticed that here were a bunch of QUOTES from the player, all ready and written down and stuff.

You see, that's what they were there for. The reporters would get quotes, put them around their story, and then they would have real journalism. That was like, the point, or something; someone specifically talked to the person, live, and asked them things, wrote it down and here it is in the newspaper.

Which is why you'd have a press conference where a bunch of reporters would ask questions.

But when the reporters noticed all the quotes, I could see the lights going on in their heads... hey there are the quotes I was looking for... real quotes of the player... and they actually jotted them down, in their notebooks, while reading the web page.

And I realized they were going to take these quotes and put them in the newspapers that would be printed and appear on people's doorsteps, 14 hours later. And I thought, wow, I am seeing the change in journalism right here.

Because everyone who gives a damn could have seen these quotes, and MANY more of them, directly from the source. There's no need to gather people in a room and ask questions. The room is now the chat room and the source is the website. Everyone see it who wants to. Everyone who wants to ask questions can ask questions. The quotes are the same they ever were. Why have sports reporters at all?

Now it's 15 years later and I don't pay so much attention to the media, now, but on Trump, it's kind of reduced to reading tweets and gathering angry reactions at them, isn't it? Well WTF does anyone need that for?

Clodfobble · 12-02-2016, 02:12 PM

In theory, the reporters were still needed because they would make sure that you (the webmaster) didn't just make that shit up. The reporter was the guy who put his credibility on the line and said, "Yeah, I was in the room and I saw him say it and I'm willing to be fired if it turns out I'm wrong."

It's people's trust in their own egos that has allowed them to be snowed by the people who just completely, 100%, make shit up. The "I'm too smart, I read it with my own two eyes, no one could fool me," attitude. Not saying the news right now doesn't suck, it absolutely does--but that was a natural market reaction in tandem with the reporters getting lazy and the people saying they didn't need the old style of news anymore.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-02-2016, 05:22 PM

At those news conferences not everyone asks question but they all record(take notes) on the question and the answer. Finding you had written it down save them the trouble but doesn't mean they didn't listen. Finding you (the court reporter) had transcribed it, makes it easier.

Undertoad · 12-02-2016, 06:08 PM

Thing is, they weren't even in the room.

In fact, there was no room, unless you count the chat room. Mr. McNabb was being limo'd from Manhattan down to Vet Stadium Philly, and was talking on a cell phone to someone in the Eagles office. They read the chat questions to him, and he answered, and they typed it into the chat room.

"Are these McNabb quotes?" one of the reporters even asked as I copied and pasted the chat room text into the website. The game was afoot.

They wouldn't get to actually talk to McNabb for another hour or two, and may have been able to make an early story deadline by using those quotes.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-02-2016, 07:04 PM

OK, the news conference hadn't actually happened yet.

Pamela · 12-02-2016, 11:38 PM

I really wish you had put in something funny, like how he wanted his uniform with his name in purple, or whatever, just to screw with their heads.

Undertoad · 12-03-2016, 08:58 AM

Bill the Cat becomes America's new fact checker.

Griff · 12-03-2016, 09:34 AM

Nice.

I'm still in the process of reworking my bacebook news feed.As of now its NPR and WashPost. Nobody reports shit anymore. A new guy at fencing has a son in journalism school at Syracuse. The kid was at the Pipline protest when the woman was hit by the concussion grenade. He gave his Dad a full story about what went down that day. I'm hoping his story lands somewhere, maybe the SU magazine... I haven't seen shit except from the"fake" news sites which we are not supposed to trust. There is a role for journalists, but I don't know if there is an outlet.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-03-2016, 09:50 AM

Colorado Public Radio tracked down the "King" of fake news sites.

He feels some remorse, but he's making $30,00 a month to ease his conscience.

classicman · 12-03-2016, 12:06 PM

"Coler, a registered Democrat, says he has no regrets about his fake news empire."

glatt · 12-03-2016, 12:10 PM

The pipeline story is amazing. ALL of my info comes from FB posts forwarded by friends

glatt · 12-04-2016, 08:39 AM

And basically as soon as I post that, the Washington Post comes out with a multi page article on the story.

Up until today, it felt as though the press was completely ignoring this ongoing story.

12-01-2016, 11:31 AM	#1
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Yup, I'm sure everyone is THRILLED with this choice. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-01-2016, 11:46 AM	#2
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Awesome, because what we needed was more people on both sides of the aisle being absolutely disgusted with the tone-deafness of their own party, mentally checking out of the whole political process, and reluctantly voting for garbage candidates. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

12-02-2016, 02:12 PM	#5
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	In theory, the reporters were still needed because they would make sure that you (the webmaster) didn't just make that shit up. The reporter was the guy who put his credibility on the line and said, "Yeah, I was in the room and I saw him say it and I'm willing to be fired if it turns out I'm wrong." It's people's trust in their own egos that has allowed them to be snowed by the people who just completely, 100%, make shit up. The "I'm too smart, I read it with my own two eyes, no one could fool me," attitude. Not saying the news right now doesn't suck, it absolutely does--but that was a natural market reaction in tandem with the reporters getting lazy and the people saying they didn't need the old style of news anymore. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

12-02-2016, 05:22 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	At those news conferences not everyone asks question but they all record(take notes) on the question and the answer. Finding you had written it down save them the trouble but doesn't mean they didn't listen. Finding you (the court reporter) had transcribed it, makes it easier. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-02-2016, 07:04 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	OK, the news conference hadn't actually happened yet. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-02-2016, 07:15 AM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The state of journalism.

12-02-2016, 07:31 AM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It's personal anecdote time Back in 1999 my then friend Thom (cellar username: darling) developed a large amount of the Eagles' web site, and I helped; and on Draft Day 1999, we were in the media room, building the Draft Day page as facts developed. It was supposed to be the first time fans could follow the draft on the site. No live video, this was 1999, but we would update the page throughout the day and have stories and details and whatnot. When Donovan McNabb was drafted, one of the first things that went down was a live chat with Donovan and the fans. After it happened we set up a web page with a bunch of questions, along with McNabb's responses to them. A bunch of reporters happened to be looking over my shoulder as I set it up, and they all kinda noticed that here were a bunch of QUOTES from the player, all ready and written down and stuff. You see, that's what they were there for. The reporters would get quotes, put them around their story, and then they would have real journalism. That was like, the point, or something; someone specifically talked to the person, live, and asked them things, wrote it down and here it is in the newspaper. Which is why you'd have a press conference where a bunch of reporters would ask questions. But when the reporters noticed all the quotes, I could see the lights going on in their heads... hey there are the quotes I was looking for... real quotes of the player... and they actually jotted them down, in their notebooks, while reading the web page. And I realized they were going to take these quotes and put them in the newspapers that would be printed and appear on people's doorsteps, 14 hours later. And I thought, wow, I am seeing the change in journalism right here. Because everyone who gives a damn could have seen these quotes, and MANY more of them, directly from the source. There's no need to gather people in a room and ask questions. The room is now the chat room and the source is the website. Everyone see it who wants to. Everyone who wants to ask questions can ask questions. The quotes are the same they ever were. Why have sports reporters at all? Now it's 15 years later and I don't pay so much attention to the media, now, but on Trump, it's kind of reduced to reading tweets and gathering angry reactions at them, isn't it? Well WTF does anyone need that for?

12-02-2016, 06:08 PM	#7
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Thing is, they weren't even in the room. In fact, there was no room, unless you count the chat room. Mr. McNabb was being limo'd from Manhattan down to Vet Stadium Philly, and was talking on a cell phone to someone in the Eagles office. They read the chat questions to him, and he answered, and they typed it into the chat room. "Are these McNabb quotes?" one of the reporters even asked as I copied and pasted the chat room text into the website. The game was afoot. They wouldn't get to actually talk to McNabb for another hour or two, and may have been able to make an early story deadline by using those quotes.

12-02-2016, 11:38 PM	#9
Pamela Deplorable Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 767	I really wish you had put in something funny, like how he wanted his uniform with his name in purple, or whatever, just to screw with their heads.

12-03-2016, 08:58 AM	#10
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Bill the Cat becomes America's new fact checker.

12-03-2016, 09:34 AM	#11
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Nice. I'm still in the process of reworking my bacebook news feed.As of now its NPR and WashPost. Nobody reports shit anymore. A new guy at fencing has a son in journalism school at Syracuse. The kid was at the Pipline protest when the woman was hit by the concussion grenade. He gave his Dad a full story about what went down that day. I'm hoping his story lands somewhere, maybe the SU magazine... I haven't seen shit except from the"fake" news sites which we are not supposed to trust. There is a role for journalists, but I don't know if there is an outlet. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-03-2016, 09:50 AM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Colorado Public Radio tracked down the "King" of fake news sites. He feels some remorse, but he's making $30,00 a month to ease his conscience. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-03-2016, 12:06 PM	#13
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	"Coler, a registered Democrat, says he has no regrets about his fake news empire." __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-03-2016, 12:10 PM	#14
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	The pipeline story is amazing. ALL of my info comes from FB posts forwarded by friends

12-04-2016, 08:39 AM	#15
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	And basically as soon as I post that, the Washington Post comes out with a multi page article on the story. Up until today, it felt as though the press was completely ignoring this ongoing story.

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