Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week - Page 11

Ibby · 11-02-2007, 10:31 AM

Radar, I speak Chinese. And I know for certain that how ever many thousand years ago, there WAS no chinese identity of any sort, before Qin Shi Huang Di unified china. As I already said, if you could have been bothered to read, before Qin Shi Huang Di commanded a unified writing style for all of his domain, not only did each former nation-state have its own independent language, but its own completely different identity and culture. We aren't talking, like, an athens-sparta kind of difference, where they were separate but still both greek... we're talking, like, the difference between brazil and italy. Possibly some common linguistic roots way back there somewhere, but... utterly separate cultures. Then, imagine some dictator took over both italy and brazil, and decreed that they had to write the same way, even if they didnt say everything the same way. Hundreds of years later, portugese and italian would become part of the same language family, rather than separate languages, right?

Look, you are not going to win this one, radar. All the historical evidence is against you. Before there was a china, there absolutely were NO chinese. Only long after Qin Shi Huang Di unified what is now china were there any chinese people.

Simply picking out one word from my entire post and saying, nolookthatischinese, is both intellectually dishonest and just plain stupid.

DanaC · 11-02-2007, 10:41 AM

Don't try looking for logic Ibram. You're talking to a man who deems it acceptable to use children as human shields.

queequeger · 11-02-2007, 11:37 AM

Yeah, but only if their parents are dicks. Sins of the father and all that.

WARNING:
Israeli and (white) American children: not OK for human shield use.

Happy Monkey · 11-02-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

They can call themselves Cherokee or Purple gorillas for all I care. I use the term "American" to describe them because they currently live within the borders of the U.S.A..

And "the Jews" do not currently live within the borders of Israel. Some do, but being Israeli and being Jewish are not the same thing. Also, there are plenty of people who live within the current borders of Israel, and have done so since before Israel, and are not Jewish. So I don't know how your "lived in what became the USA = American" applies to Israel.

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The fact remains that there were people in what is described as "China" long before it was called "China" and those people looked the same and spoke the same language as they do now.

They were many different nations until they were conquered. Once the empire was consolidated, they became Chinese. If the empire hadn't held, they would be many nations.

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Israel is the land of the Jews in the same way that China is the land of Chinese people, Italy is the land of the Italian people, Greece is the land of the Greek, etc.

Israel is the land of the Jews in the same way that Europe is the land of the Christians. They appeared somewhere else, gained political power there, and spread throughout the world. But American Christians have no claim on Rome.

piercehawkeye45 · 11-02-2007, 02:11 PM

So if I ban guns and Radar revolts I get to use his children as body shields? Nice...

But anyways, Radar, I want you to answer these questions with zero bullshit.

1) Your argument for Israel becoming a state is because their was an Israeli state 2,000 years ago and the Jews should return to their home. Now, the Lakota People of Minnesota and North and South Dakota had been living in that area for long time, I haven't seen any dates of when they moved in. But in the late 1700s and early 1800s white settlers moved in and either killed them or forced them to live in reservations. Now, you are saying that Israel should get its state back after 2,000 years, why aren't you fighting for a Lakota state of only losing their land of 250 years? Remember, like the Jews, the Lakota people have been living in this area when it has been under foreign occupation as well. For example, I am good friends with someone of Lakota decent and he goes to my school.

2) Igoring a larger state of Palestine, the people living in Palestine have been living in that area and have owned property there for over 3,000 years (Jews living in Palestine are considered Palestinians), do you not believe in a human right of owning property? Those people have owned land whether they were under foreign control or not, and you are justifying the forced movement of over 4 million refugees. How can this be with your strong libertarian influences. I, and I'm sure you wouldn't either, would not give up my house so the Lakota people could move back in, why should the Palestinian people give up their personal property for people that have not lived there for 2,000 years (assuming most Jews immigrated, which is highly true)?

3) You have justified Israel's actions with the thought that a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch. A very few amount of Palestinians (less than 1 in 1,000) have resorted to terrorist like actions and many Palestinians look down upon these actions but have zero means of stopping them. Now, are you willing to say it is OK for you to be bombed (this includes everyone you love) because of the actions of Bush and the neo-cons or are you going to stop them yourself? The choice is yours.

TheMercenary · 11-02-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

The fact of the matter is the so-called Palestinian people weren't thrown in a cage, aren't oppressed by Israel, have never had any land stolen from them, and are only held back by their own actions. The so-called Palestinians aren't wanted by anyone in the middle-east...not even Jordan where 75% of them came from.

Israel didn't create any "situation" for the Palestinians. They did that on their own.

If the so-called Palestinians chose to revolt and start more widespread violence, it would be their own undoing because Israel is fully capable of destroying each and every single one of them, and all of their surrounding nations without any help from America.

Israel just wants to be left the hell alone. Israel is generous and kind and gives food, water, clothing, shelter, etc. to the so-called Palestinians. Israel allows Arab man and women to live, work, vote, and hold political office even though no Arab nation allows Jews or women to do that...and in most cases, the men can't vote either because they are living in a dictatorship or monarchy.

Israel hasn't "screwed over" the so-called Palestinian people. If anything, the opposite is true. Israel has given...and given...and given in hopes of peace, but you can't make peace with those who don't recognize your right to exist. You can't reason with unreasonable people. You can't make peace with those who would give up everything just to see you dead.

As long as the Arab people get it through their heads that Israel is not going anywhere and attacking Israel will result in their own destruction, everything will be fine.

Man, you need a history lesson.

Radar · 11-02-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I think you just blew my mind Radar. The fact that its his own child doesn't make it acceptable for you to put it at risk by using it as a shield. What an outrageous statement to make. I am appalled.

I wouldn't be putting the child at risk by using him as a human shield. His father would be putting him at risk if he kept shooting my direction while I was holding his child.

Radar · 11-02-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

Radar, I speak Chinese. And I know for certain that how ever many thousand years ago, there WAS no chinese identity of any sort, before Qin Shi Huang Di unified china. As I already said, if you could have been bothered to read, before Qin Shi Huang Di commanded a unified writing style for all of his domain, not only did each former nation-state have its own independent language, but its own completely different identity and culture. We aren't talking, like, an athens-sparta kind of difference, where they were separate but still both greek... we're talking, like, the difference between brazil and italy. Possibly some common linguistic roots way back there somewhere, but... utterly separate cultures. Then, imagine some dictator took over both italy and brazil, and decreed that they had to write the same way, even if they didnt say everything the same way. Hundreds of years later, portugese and italian would become part of the same language family, rather than separate languages, right?

Look, you are not going to win this one, radar. All the historical evidence is against you. Before there was a china, there absolutely were NO chinese. Only long after Qin Shi Huang Di unified what is now china were there any chinese people.

Simply picking out one word from my entire post and saying, nolookthatischinese, is both intellectually dishonest and just plain stupid.

Historical evidence proves that the language spoken by the Han Chinese (before the unification of all the kingdoms of China) was mandarin Chinese. Anything you say to the contrary is false. So knock yourself out if you want.

Radar · 11-02-2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Don't try looking for logic Ibram. You're talking to a man who deems it acceptable to use children as human shields.

You are hardly in a position to judge the logic of others or even to discuss logic. As an anti-Zionist, you are immune to logic and reason and have no ability to grasp reality or truth.

TheMercenary · 11-02-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

If my neighbor was shooting everyone in the neighborhood on a shooting spree for no apparent reason, and I picked up his own child to use as a human shield, there would be no fault in it.

Dude, that is fucking idiotic.

Radar · 11-02-2007, 07:10 PM

No it isn't. If someone is shooting at me, HE is the person doing the endangering. HE is the one with the gun. If I pick up his kid and use him as a shield, HE should stop shooting at me. If he shoots at me while I'm holding his kid HE is the person endangering his kid, not me.

It's fucking idiotic to say I am the bad guy when someone else is killing and I'm trying not to die.

TheMercenary · 11-02-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

No it isn't. If someone is shooting at me, HE is the person doing the endangering. HE is the one with the gun. If I pick up his kid and use him as a shield, HE should stop shooting at me. If he shoots at me while I'm holding his kid HE is the person endangering his kid, not me.

It's fucking idiotic to say I am the bad guy when someone else is killing and I'm trying not to die.

No human being with an ounce of sense would use an inocent child to protect them from harm.

Happy Monkey · 11-02-2007, 07:14 PM

What if you believe he is unlikely to shoot any child, and none of his are available? Are you justified in picking up the child of an innocent bystander to hide behind?

Aliantha · 11-02-2007, 07:17 PM

Well, he definitely thinks he's a kung fu master, but I think he's more of a troglodyte myself.

Thoughts anyone?

TheMercenary · 11-02-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Well, he definitely thinks he's a kung fu master, but I think he's more of a troglodyte myself.

Thoughts anyone?

I vote troglodyte with a hint of proto-Neanderthal.

11-02-2007, 10:31 AM	#151
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Radar, I speak Chinese. And I know for certain that how ever many thousand years ago, there WAS no chinese identity of any sort, before Qin Shi Huang Di unified china. As I already said, if you could have been bothered to read, before Qin Shi Huang Di commanded a unified writing style for all of his domain, not only did each former nation-state have its own independent language, but its own completely different identity and culture. We aren't talking, like, an athens-sparta kind of difference, where they were separate but still both greek... we're talking, like, the difference between brazil and italy. Possibly some common linguistic roots way back there somewhere, but... utterly separate cultures. Then, imagine some dictator took over both italy and brazil, and decreed that they had to write the same way, even if they didnt say everything the same way. Hundreds of years later, portugese and italian would become part of the same language family, rather than separate languages, right? Look, you are not going to win this one, radar. All the historical evidence is against you. Before there was a china, there absolutely were NO chinese. Only long after Qin Shi Huang Di unified what is now china were there any chinese people. Simply picking out one word from my entire post and saying, nolookthatischinese, is both intellectually dishonest and just plain stupid. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-02-2007, 11:37 AM	#153
queequeger Hypercharismatic Telepathical Knight Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The armpit of the Universe... Augusta, GA Posts: 365	Yeah, but only if their parents are dicks. Sins of the father and all that. WARNING: Israeli and (white) American children: not OK for human shield use. __________________ Hoocha, hoocha, hoocha... lobster.

11-02-2007, 07:10 PM	#161
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	No it isn't. If someone is shooting at me, HE is the person doing the endangering. HE is the one with the gun. If I pick up his kid and use him as a shield, HE should stop shooting at me. If he shoots at me while I'm holding his kid HE is the person endangering his kid, not me. It's fucking idiotic to say I am the bad guy when someone else is killing and I'm trying not to die. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

11-02-2007, 07:14 PM	#163
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	What if you believe he is unlikely to shoot any child, and none of his are available? Are you justified in picking up the child of an innocent bystander to hide behind? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-02-2007, 07:17 PM	#164
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well, he definitely thinks he's a kung fu master, but I think he's more of a troglodyte myself. Thoughts anyone? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-02-2007, 10:41 AM	#152
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Don't try looking for logic Ibram. You're talking to a man who deems it acceptable to use children as human shields.

11-02-2007, 02:11 PM	#155
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	So if I ban guns and Radar revolts I get to use his children as body shields? Nice... But anyways, Radar, I want you to answer these questions with zero bullshit. 1) Your argument for Israel becoming a state is because their was an Israeli state 2,000 years ago and the Jews should return to their home. Now, the Lakota People of Minnesota and North and South Dakota had been living in that area for long time, I haven't seen any dates of when they moved in. But in the late 1700s and early 1800s white settlers moved in and either killed them or forced them to live in reservations. Now, you are saying that Israel should get its state back after 2,000 years, why aren't you fighting for a Lakota state of only losing their land of 250 years? Remember, like the Jews, the Lakota people have been living in this area when it has been under foreign occupation as well. For example, I am good friends with someone of Lakota decent and he goes to my school. 2) Igoring a larger state of Palestine, the people living in Palestine have been living in that area and have owned property there for over 3,000 years (Jews living in Palestine are considered Palestinians), do you not believe in a human right of owning property? Those people have owned land whether they were under foreign control or not, and you are justifying the forced movement of over 4 million refugees. How can this be with your strong libertarian influences. I, and I'm sure you wouldn't either, would not give up my house so the Lakota people could move back in, why should the Palestinian people give up their personal property for people that have not lived there for 2,000 years (assuming most Jews immigrated, which is highly true)? 3) You have justified Israel's actions with the thought that a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch. A very few amount of Palestinians (less than 1 in 1,000) have resorted to terrorist like actions and many Palestinians look down upon these actions but have zero means of stopping them. Now, are you willing to say it is OK for you to be bombed (this includes everyone you love) because of the actions of Bush and the neo-cons or are you going to stop them yourself? The choice is yours.

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