The Cellar  

Go Back   The Cellar > Main > Politics
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Politics Where we learn not to think less of others who don't share our views

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-12-2011, 03:37 PM   #1
TheMercenary
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 21,393
Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman View Post
Merc, Can you explain how those numbers add up? I thought ... that most of the stimulus went for things besides job creation and the title stimulus was really not as accurate as some would lead us to believe.

When looking at stimuluswatch.org it certainly doesn't paint a great picture, but still those are some seemingly outrageous figures.


ETA - They updated the site to http://stimuluswatch.org/2.0/
I am pretty sure they sort of go through the numbers in the link, I will have to double check it.
__________________
Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!
TheMercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2011, 05:59 PM   #2
TheMercenary
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 21,393
Good job Obamy! You should be proud!

Quote:
The president is full of it when he talks about creating or saving jobs. During his State of the Union address Wednesday night, he said, “Now, because of the steps we took, there are about 2 million Americans working right now who would otherwise be unemployed. … Economists on the left and the right say this bill has helped save jobs and avert disaster. … That is why jobs must be our No. 1 focus in 2010, and that’s why I’m calling for a new jobs bill tonight.” This is pure fiction. Job losses under President Obama’s watch have increased steadily without remission.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ployment-rate/
__________________
Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!
TheMercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2011, 06:03 PM   #3
TheMercenary
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 21,393
Quote:
There comes a time and a point in history which indelibly define a President. Oftentimes the event may not be of major import in the greater scheme of things but the management of it is of such prominence that the success or failure in the handling of the issue is permanently attached to the individual. Such a moment has happened to Barack Obama. His incompetence, inability to lead, prevarications, petulance and immaturity in the debt ceiling crisis have indelibly created an image of abject failure in the minds of a critical mass of people in the United States and around the globe. He will never be able to overcome the portrait that has been etched in too many minds.
Barack Obama's only interest in the debt ceiling debate was to raise the borrowing limit sufficiently to get by the next election, and as a cudgel to denigrate the Republicans. His concern was not for the American people and the impact of overwhelming national debt, nor an impending and inevitable credit downgrade. Rather, he was determined that raising the debt ceiling would not become an issue during the presidential campaign. Thus, spending cuts created out of whole cloth, combined with tax increases aimed at stoking the embers of class envy, were bandied about by his party in order to justify an increase in the debt ceiling of $2.4 Trillion.
The destruction wrought by the nearly $5.5 Trillion (more than a third of the total debt of a nation 222 years old) he will have added to the nation's balance sheet by the end of his term was immaterial, thus no detailed plan was forthcoming from the White House, and no lie or accusation aimed at the opposition was too absurd to tell. The only matter of importance was his re-election; the long-term health of the country be damned.
With this lasted chapter of Obama cynicism he has gone a bridge too far; and that bridge has collapsed behind him.
Continues:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...residency.html
__________________
Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!
TheMercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2011, 11:03 PM   #4
classicman
barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy.
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 23,401
How many of the paid mercenaries are going to stay?
__________________
"like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt
classicman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2011, 12:28 AM   #5
BigV
Goon Squad Leader
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Seattle
Posts: 27,063
Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman View Post
How many of the paid mercenaries are going to stay?
None that won't have criminal immunity, that's for sure. Right now, that pencils out to... let's see... zero.
__________________
Be Just and Fear Not.
BigV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2011, 11:29 PM   #6
ZenGum
Doctor Wtf
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Badelaide, Baustralia
Posts: 12,861
Hush now, please not to ask the embarrassing question.
__________________
Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008.
Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.
ZenGum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2011, 12:53 AM   #7
Bullitt
This is a fully functional babe lair
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Akron, OH
Posts: 2,324
Many, many contractors.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...-iraq-eternal/
__________________
Kiss my white Irish ass.
Bullitt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2011, 03:55 PM   #8
classicman
barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy.
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 23,401
Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman View Post
How many paid mercenaries are going to stay?
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigV View Post
Right now, let's see... zero.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullitt View Post
Many, many contractors.
Quote:
the State Department will command a hired army of about 5,500 security contractors, all to protect the largest U.S. diplomatic presence anywhere overseas.
... 10,000 U.S. State Department employees throughout Iraq — which, in case anyone has forgotten, is still a war zone.

It’s a situation with the potential for diplomatic disaster. And it’s being managed by an organization with no experience running the tight command structure that makes armies cohesive and effective.

You can also expect that there will be a shadow presence by the CIA, and possibly the Joint Special Operations Command, to hunt persons affiliated with al-Qaida. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has conspicuously stated that al-Qaida still has 1,000 Iraqi adherents, which would make it the largest al-Qaida affiliate in the world.

So far, there are three big security firms with lucrative contracts to protect U.S. diplomats. Triple Canopy, a longtime State guard company, has a contract worth up to $1.53 billion to keep diplos safe as they travel throughout Iraq. Global Strategies Group will guard the consulate at Basra for up to $401 million. SOC Incorporated will protect the mega-embassy in Baghdad for up to $974 million. State has yet to award contracts to guard consulates in multiethnic flashpoint cities Mosul and Kirkuk, as well as the outpost in placid Irbil.

“We can have the kind of protection our diplomats need,” Deputy National Security Adviser Denis McDonough told reporters after Obama’s announcement. Whether the Iraqi people will have protection from the contractors that the State Department commands is a different question. And whatever you call their operations, the Obama administration hopes that you won’t be so rude as to call it “war.”
__________________
"like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt
classicman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2011, 02:48 PM   #9
TheMercenary
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 21,393
Obama helps banks with new housing bailout.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1028554.html
__________________
Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!
TheMercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2011, 03:15 PM   #10
TheMercenary
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 21,393
Another look at the proposed housing bailout...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1028554.html
__________________
Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!
TheMercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2011, 08:03 PM   #11
TheMercenary
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 21,393
More Obamanation.....

Quote:
President Barack Obama’s new student loan policy will force working class Americans to pay the ballooning college costs of middle class Americans, and will also hinder needed reform of the bloated education sector, say critics.
Obama is “shifting the burden of paying for college to all of those Americans who did not graduate from college — the waitresses, construction workers, mechanics — and that should infuriate the taxpayers who worked hard to pay off their loans, who decided to live a modest lifestyle to pay off their loans,” said Lindsey Burke, an analyst at the Heritage Foundation.
Obama’s policy is also widening the class division between working-class Americans and those with college credentials, said Matthew Denhart, a researcher at the Center for College Affordability and Productivity in Washington, D.C.
Whatever the real costs, the new subsidy could benefit Obama’s standing among the disenchanted voters in the coveted 20-something demographic. Almost 70 percent of that group voted for him overwhelmingly in 2008.
The new loan policy “will save you money, it will help more young people figure out how to attend college … you will be more comfortable and confident to buy a house … [and] that will give our economy a boost when it desperately needs it,” Obama told a cheering crowd of students at the University of Colorado’s Denver campus.
But, he added, “young guys, I need you involved, I need you active … I need you to get the word out.”
Colorado is a swing state, and his polls show him well below the 50 percent approval mark. (RELATED: Ron Paul says Obama’s student debt plan is possibly illegal)
On Tuesday, Obama’s 2012 campaign announced a new program to win back youth voters. The “Greater Together,” program is intended “to engage young Americans between the ages of 18 and 29.” It was introduced by a video that asks younger people “to get involved once again in the political process and to help him finish what they all started together.”
The next day, Oct. 26, Obama announced his new student loan regulations, which build on a 2010 law that forced banks to cede student loan work to the federal government. The law forced banks to lay off thousands of employees, and it allows students to walk away from taxpayers’ loans after 15 years or 25 years.
Obama’s policy caps monthly payments at 10 percent of graduate’s income after taxes. Additionally, graduates will be able to walk away from taxpayers’ loans after 10 years if they work in “public service.”
“Public service” jobs are limited to government jobs, plus some favored non-profits focused on “public interest” law, early education, health or libraries. Students working in for-profit companies will be able to discard their loans only after 20 years, according to the new policy.
But the colleges fees have to be paid somehow, even when repayments are stopped, said Burke. Sooner or later, this “will ultimately result in tax increases — in putting this on the backs of three-quarters of Americans who did not graduate from college.”
Working-class people will end up paying for middle-class graduates’ basket-weaving and women’s studies degrees, she said.
Moreover, billions of dollars in government subsidies and advocacy have gradually converted college degrees into markers of middle-class status, even when those degrees earn less money than vocational credentials, such as plumbing licenses, Denhart said. Employers can’t assess the economic value of non-technical degrees, he explained, so those degrees only allow “people to signal to employers and peers that ‘I’m qualified enough to have completed a college education.’”
Administration officials say the new financial benefits are free.
Roughly 1.6 million Americans with federal loans “could see their payments go down by hundreds [of dollars] per month … [and] it won’t cost taxpayers a dime,” Obama told the cheering students.
But there must be a cost, countered Denhart. “We don’t know the exact cost … it takes time to work it out.”
The monthly benefit for graduate depends on their income and whether they’re married and have children. The greatest benefit will go to those with the highest debt and the lowest income, for example, people with post-graduate degrees in social studies.
The new policy also allows roughly 6 million graduates to merge commercial ‘Federal Family Education Loans’ loans with government loans, and lower their interest rate by roughly a half-percent. Roughly 36 million graduates have outstanding loans, including $400 billion in FFEL debt.
The full cost of these benefits likely won’t be known for a decade, when graduates will begin to walk away from taxpayers’ loans, Denhart said. Costs incurred more than 10 years ahead aren’t accounted for in government budget plans.
In his Colorado speech, Obama acknowledged the rising costs of college. Those costs have tripled since 1982, and graduates owe almost $1 trillion to government and commercial lenders, Denhart continued. But Obama offered no proposal to curbs costs, or improve quality in the education industry, which is an important part of the Democratic Party’s political base.
Federal loans and additional grants allow universities to charge high fees, Denhart said, or even to further raise their fees.
Obama’s policies, said Burke, are keeping costs too high, and effectively preserving the “education bubble” in the same fashion that government subsidies and unwise regulations created the real estate bubble during the 1990s and 2000s. The real estate bubble wrecked the economy as it burst in 2008 when mortgage debts became unmanageable, and the education bubble will eventually burst when graduates can’t pay their loans, she concluded.
Republicans legislators oppose the taxpayer-paid bailout. “This plan will not create a single job, strengthen our economy, or promote fiscal responsibility,” said a statement from John Kline, chairman of the House committee on education. Instead, the plan will “encourage more borrowing across the board… more debt for students, more debt for taxpayers, and more red ink on the government’s books,” said the statement.
Obama’s unwillingness to deal with rising costs and the education bubble, said Denhart, is “unsurprising, but at the same time, incredibly disappointing … [because] what we’re seeing is an industry that refuses to reform its basic operating structure.”
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/26/cl...#ixzz1c0gGQOJx
__________________
Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!
TheMercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2011, 10:32 PM   #12
TheMercenary
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 21,393
Anyone but Obama in 2012.....

Quote:
By Neal Boortz
On Friday, Barack Obama announced that the rest of our troops in Iraq will be returning home by the end of the year. During that speech, and again during his weekly Saturday address, Obama made the following assertion: "The drawdown in Iraq allowed us to refocus on Afghanistan and achieve major victories against all Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.”
Oh really? First of all, the only thing that Obama did to “get” Osama bin Laden was get the hell out of the way and let the brave men and women of our military do what they do best. And where did our military get the intelligence to track down Osama bin Laden? According to an article published in the NYTimes in May, the intelligence used to locate Osama bin Laden came from an al Qaeda operative who was captured by our military forces in Iraq in 2004. Yet, Obama says that it is his troop drawdown that led to the capture of Osama bin Laden.
What arrogance. But you really can’t blame the guy. How would you like to be the guy who has to catalogue the accomplishments of Barry Obama to be used in a reelection campaign?
Ouch! Barry, this one is going to hurt....

http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-...ama-got-osama/
__________________
Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!
TheMercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2011, 10:49 PM   #13
classicman
barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy.
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 23,401
Quote:
First of all, the only thing that Obama did...
was more than Bush did in less than 1/2 the time. AND he has gotten more frikkin other fucks with his plan/direction than the previous prick did.
Quote:
How would you like to be the guy who has to catalogue the accomplishments of Barry Obama to be used in a reelection campaign?
Well there are a heck of a lot more than the R congress has ... or Newt, or Bachmann, or Perry, or Santorum, or Paul or or or...
What does it say that he is only trailing against a "generic republican" yet when you actually put one of this group up, Obama is leading? Let me help you - It says that pretty much EVERY R candidate SUCKS worse than a nobody. THAT'S pathetic.
__________________
"like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt
classicman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2011, 10:53 PM   #14
classicman
barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy.
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 23,401
Quote:
“The death of Osama Bin Laden marks the single greatest victory in the US-led campaign to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat Al Qaeda,” an official said.

The operation had been in the works for years. Since 9/11, the CIA gathered leads on those in bin Laden’s inner circle, including personal couriers.

In 2009, intelligence officials identified areas in Pakistan where the courier and his brother operate – but they were still unable to pinpoint precisely where.

In August 2010 came the big break. Intelligence identified a compound that aroused their suspicion – eight times larger than other homes in the area, built in 2005, on a property valued at $1 million. But access to the compound was severely restricted, with elaborate security and 12 to 18 foot walls topped with barbed wire. Incongruently, the compound has no phone service or televisions. The main building had few windows and a seven foot wall for privacy. Residents burned their trash.
FWIW, the real intel apparently came in 2009 & 2010, well after shrub was gone.
__________________
"like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt
classicman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2011, 12:25 AM   #15
BigV
Goon Squad Leader
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Seattle
Posts: 27,063
Such bullshit, bullshit... When you fill your head with shit like this, it's no wonder what comes out.

MAKING STUFF UP!!!

I listen to the local Fox network radio station. I've lost count of the times the host, Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, Michael Medved, Rush Limbaugh, whomever, just Makes. Shit. Up.

The commercial WHORING for attention is pathetic, just like your boy up there saying President Obama "got" Osama bin Laden. For fucking fuck's sake. No one with any brains listens to that, no one with any intelligence gives such nonsense any thought. I was listening to Glen Beck this morning, before I'd donned my intelligence for the day, and during one of the short breaks between commercials, he told the story of the new "secret" rules by DHS that would require the presence of a DHS officer to be present when anyone wishes to open their safe deposit box in the event that the banks were taken over. Ostensibly, to watch for the removal of any gold, since that would be the only remaining truly valuable monetary medium. He spun this conspiracy theory and then segued neatly into the "Sponsor of the Day" which was GoldBuyerz4You.biz or some such.

See?

All they're doing is titillating you to stay tuned through the next commercial. It is their entire business model, and it's successful, though hardly nutritious for the mind.

You can fill your head with such shit if you wish. It's a free country. But I'm not obligated to treat your regurgitations as anything more than any other stinky mess.

Did you even read the articles "cited"? Unlikely. Here, I'll quote it for you from the NYT, the source Boortz claims undermines President Obama's statement:
Quote:
Among them was John Yoo, a former Justice Department official who wrote secret legal memorandums justifying brutal interrogations. “President Obama can take credit, rightfully, for the success today,” Mr. Yoo wrote Monday in National Review, “but he owes it to the tough decisions taken by the Bush administration.”

But a closer look at prisoner interrogations suggests that the harsh techniques played a small role at most in identifying Bin Laden’s trusted courier and exposing his hide-out.
Quote:
“The bottom line is this: If we had some kind of smoking-gun intelligence from waterboarding in 2003, we would have taken out Osama bin Laden in 2003,” said Tommy Vietor, spokesman for the National Security Council. “It took years of collection and analysis from many different sources to develop the case that enabled us to identify this compound, and reach a judgment that Bin Laden was likely to be living there.”
Your guy, Boortz? He's full of shit. When you listen to him or cite him, you get splashed with it too.
__________________
Be Just and Fear Not.
BigV is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:24 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.