Mosque at 51 Park Place, NY, NY

[tw]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

I have posted this statement by Obama, and previously posted Mayor Bloomberg's statement, in the hope that people will see that this is not an issue for partisan politics or even of the "war on terrorism".

Too late for that. Sarah Palin wasted no time using hate to gain political support. From The Economist of 7 Aug 2010:

In a tweet last month from Alaska, Ms Palin called on "peaceful Muslims" to "refudiate" the "ground-zero mosque" because it would "stab" American hearts. But why should it? Cordoba House is not being built by al-Qaeda. To the contrary, it is the brainchild of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, a well-meaning American cleric who has spent years trying to promote interfaith understanding, not an apostle of religious war like Osama bin Laden. He is modelling his project on New York's 92nd Street Y, a Jewish community centre that reaches out to other religions. The site was selected in part precisely so that it might heal some of the wounds opened by the felling of the twin towers and all that followed. True, some relatives of 9/11 victims are hurt by the idea of a mosque going up near the site. But that feeling of hurt makes sense only if they too buy the false idea that Muslims in general were perpetrators of the crime.

Even The Economist notes bin Laden is the enemy. And that blaming Muslims can only promote more pain and hate. So why do so many extremists promote that loathing. It was not just Palin.

The former Republican speaker of the House of Representatives may or may not have presidential pretensions, but he certainly has intellectual ones. That makes it impossible to excuse the mean spirit and scrambled logic of his assertion that "there should be no mosque near ground zero so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia". Come again? Why hold the rights of Americans who happen to be Muslim hostage to the policy of a foreign country that happens also to be Muslim? To Mr Gingrich, it seems, an American Muslim is a Muslim first and an American second.

... Imam Feisal says he chose "Cordoba" in recollection of a time when the rest of Europe had sunk into the Dark Ages but Muslims, Jews and Christians created an oasis of art, culture and science. Mr Gingrich sees only a "deliberate insult", a reminder of a period when Muslim conquerors ruled Spain. Like Mr bin Laden, Mr Gingrich is apparently still relitigating the victories and defeats of religious wars fought in Europe and the Middle East centuries ago. He should rejoin the modern world, before he does real harm.

Why are extremists quoted by The Economist using expressions such as "deliberate insult", "ground-zero mosque", and "stab" American hearts? Same revulsion that also said, "We want Obama to fail."

A strong movement in the Republican party even attacks their own including moderate Republicans including Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Olympia Snowe, and Susan Collins. These Conservative Republican Senators are too liberal for extremists inspired by animosity and daily doses of Limbaugh and Beck.

This mosque made painfully obvious the hate and resulting nastiness behind extremist posts. Hate that even blames immigrants for crime waves that do not exist. Hate intentionally used by Palin to rally support.

Kudos to Imam Rauf for exposing this hate fundamental to and that inspires our extremists.

[TheMercenary]

Good points Pat:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pa...surprised.html

[classicman]

German authorities say they have closed a Hamburg mosque used by the Sept. 11 attackers as a meeting place before they moved to the United States.

A statement by Hamburg officials says the Taiba mosque was shut down and its cultural association was banned on Monday.

The prayer house, formerly known as al-Quds mosque, used to be a meeting and recruiting point for some of the Sept. 11 attackers.

Weekly news magazine Focus cites a report by a local intelligence agency branch in saying the mosque has again become the city's "main center of attraction for the jihad scene." It says some members who belonged to the Taiba group and prayed at the mosque have moved on to a radical training camp in Uzbekistan.

Officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

Link

even more details here

Soooo... I guess this is just food for thought.

[xoxoxoBruce]

The same distance as the mosque site, from "hallowed ground".

[classicman]

Bruce? You ok? No review? WTH?

You're slippin' in your retirement years...

[Lamplighter]

Politics or Hypocrisy -
Or, What comes around eventually goes back around

After all the problems the Church of Latter Saints has had in it's history here in the US,
you would think Senator Reid would have better judgement...
or else he has committed the sin of hypocrisy for political reasons.

I don't know his true motivations, but I certainly question his judgment in making this feeble announcement.
Doing or saying anything at all just to get re-elected will come back to bite him where it hurts...


ABC NEWS
By RUSSELL GOLDMAN
Aug. 16, 2010

Sen. Harry Reid Breaks With Obama Over 'Ground Zero Mosque'
President Obama's Support for Islamic Center Opened Door to Republican Assault

President Obama's staunchest ally in the Senate broke with the president today over the controversial Islamic center planned for a site near Ground Zero, and said he is opposed to its construction.

The office of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada issued a statement saying, "The First Amendment protects freedom of religion. Senator Reid respects that, but thinks that the mosque should be built some place else."

[jinx]

Thinking the mosque should be built somewhere else, and doing something governmental to prevent it being built there are two very separate things.

[classicman]

Thank you Jinx. I disagree with tw - I don't think you are an extremist.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Thank you Jinx. I disagree with tw - I don't think you are an extremist.

What is an extremist to an extremist? According to classicman, there are no extremists. Couldn't be. A xenophobe could not see a xenophobe as a xenophobe. To a xenophobe, xenophobia is normal behavior.

the mosque has again become the city's "main center of attraction for the jihad scene."

So has Starbucks. But hate to advance a political agenda does not work by blaming Starbucks. Extremist seek easier targets: niggers, spics, kikes, fags, short people, Hilary, and Muslims. It is still intolerance. Xenophobia promoted to rally their supporters. No wonder these same extremists advocate, “We want Obama to fail.”

This mosque simply makes radicalism and bigotry obvious.

[classicman]

niggers, spics, kikes, fags, short people, Hilary, and Muslims.

Nice list - All but three of which are in my immediate or extended family. No relation to Hillary (correct spelling) sorry.

So because I agree with her and not you, we are xenophobes as well as extremists? Thanks. I like the company I am in.

[Rhianne]

*points and laughs*

You're related to short people!

[classicman]

HEY! Watch it!

I AM short people

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

HEY! Watch it!
I AM short people

Where?

[classicman]

In your nightmares.
Ya know, It sucks when reality hits you in the face and you realize you were totally wrong.
Too bad some cannot see nor admit that. They are called extremists by some. Typically, those people who are calling them extremists are themselves as extreme as those they are calling extremists are as extreme as those they are calling extremists are as extreme as those they are calling extremists are as extreme as those they are calling extremists are as

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

In your nightmares.
Ya know, It sucks when reality hits you in the face and you realize you were totally wrong.

Once a xenophobe is identified, then he no longer appreciates humor.

Xenophobe. Clearly Islam must be evil because Limbaugh, et al warns us of Islamofascism. And because classicman tells us Islam created 11 September. Must be true. Limbaugh, Palin, and Gringrich say it is so.

Islam did not do 11 September. Amazing how extremists will do everything to avoid going after bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Islam is an easy target. Always attack easy targets. Enflame your supporters by created mythical evil.

So enflamed by hate, is he, as to not even see a good joke. So easily made angry. He is a wacko extremist. The definition of xenophobia. Enemies are lurking everywhere to kill us all - an axis of evil. Only a xenophobe fears Islam and mosques – because Limbaugh and Hannity tell him how to think – no hate.

Alive and exposed is xenophobia - even from short people.