Anger Over Mohammed Cartoon - Page 13

wolf · 02-22-2006, 01:21 PM

UT, even if it doesn't feel like it sometimes, we appreciate everything that you do.

You could establish a DH for IOTD ...

02-22-2006, 01:47 PM

It was all those pic's under "Paint it black" that did me in. Dov could be reasonable when he felt like it. He just very seldom felt like it.

busterb · 02-22-2006, 02:12 PM

And, him and humbug posting shit not marked NSFW. UT has threads for that.
Cool UT!

02-22-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie

So sue him for slander/libel. Charge him with inciting a riot. Disturbing the peace. Public menace or whatever. The fact that Irving's a class A-1 dickhead is not being debated -- just the state's response to it. It's still an awkward situation for Americans to contimplate.

Well, first of all, American's need to contemplate that there are nations other than their own, and that these nations sometimes have perfectly valid reasons for enacting certain laws. The late dov to the contrary, many people in Germany and Austria didn't understand the full extent of the horror of the holocaust when it was going on. Auschwitz and its satellite camps were built in Poland. The village that had originally been on the same site was torn down and the villagers chased off by the Nazi's. There was a large no-man's zone surrounding each camp. Poles were actually the first to be imprisoned there. Any Pole who brought up what was going on would quickly find himself within the camp's confines.

Today's governments of Austria and Germany have taken a very hard line against those who state the holocaust never happened. I don't see what is so awkward to contemplate about that.

In addition, I can walk around here in the US, and , so can you, stating the holocaust never happened and the Austrians are not going to order my extradiction for trial. What Irving did was to go over to Europe, attend skinhead rallies in Austria where he made his statements and engage in a broadly publicized civil suit in Great Britain about the matter.

Now if you or I go to a foreign country, break its laws, and are photographed by the national media while doing so, nether one of us deserves to have a single tear shed on our behalf. Neither does Irving.

Pie · 02-22-2006, 04:26 PM

I'm certainly not crying. I'd personally like to kick Irving in the balls, as well as send him to prison. I just don't think censorship's the right way to go about serving him with what he deserves.

tw · 02-22-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie

I'm certainly not crying. I'd personally like to kick Irving in the balls, as well as send him to prison. I just don't think censorship's the right way to go about serving him with what he deserves.

Which means you also find the free exchange and distribution of pedophilia acceptable? Is censorship not the right way to go about those who promote pedophilia pictures?

xoxoxoBruce · 02-22-2006, 06:29 PM

I thought DOV was a woman.
UT done good!

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Rack rails for which I had to pay extra for overnight delivery.

(Looking for checkbook) Thank you, Sir.

Aliantha · 02-22-2006, 08:08 PM

I think he meant 'censured' not 'censored'. Of course we all know the two words although very similar have slightly different meanings.

footfootfoot · 02-22-2006, 08:32 PM

dov's gone?

thank god. it was getting so boring I was about to listen to genesis.

Beestie · 02-22-2006, 09:12 PM

Whhhhhhooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh.

Guess I can stop holding my breath now. Ahhhh, much better.

Tonchi · 02-23-2006, 01:32 AM

Thanks to you, UT, for shoveling that stinking pile of shit off the porch here. I never even attempted to comment on anything that jerk wrote because I could tell from his first week onsite that this was all a game he was playing. It's called Mind Fuck. I've seen it played before and I'll confess having tried it myself when I was considerably less mature. The object is not to learn or expound anything, the only purpose is to confound the person(s) you are talking to at every turn. Even if it means spinning on your heels and reversing your previous position, you must never let the other person form a reply or get a handle on the bombast you are hurling at him, always be derisive and negative, and always crush down any attempt to point out facts or pin down one element to resolve it. The subject is irrelevant, the player gets his kicks from preventing anything other that the thread he controls from entering into the discussion. It is manipulative to the max, that is the sole purpose of the game, and I watched that jerk even switch directions and compliment some of you on your "astute observations" so that he could continue to play ringmaster and keep the game moving. I don't doubt that people who like this kind of thing are sociopaths. The game of Mind Fuck is a mainstay on college campuses where there are a lot of immature kids who are trying to make themselves appear powerful and clever, and there are lots of people the gamer can play with who have not reached the point in their lives of knowing what they believe or how to express it. Given the level of intellectual development at The Cellar, I'm amazed that nobody caught on. Dov was just pushing buttons and blowing smoke, he didn't have any agenda more important than making an increasingly disgusting mess and seeing how long we would put up with it.

Kitsune · 02-23-2006, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I thought DOV was a woman.

He-- he wasn't?

Undertoad · 02-23-2006, 07:27 AM

Great analysis Tonch. The amazing thing was that he pretty much admitted it a few times. Like that's part of the game too -- like a criminal who leaves clues on purpose.

glatt · 02-23-2006, 07:55 AM

I commented earlier above that if I were in charge, I probably wouldn't have banned Dov, even though I didn't like him. After reading recent comments, Dov has become a little clearer to me. It's also clear to me that it's a good thing I'm not in charge. I don't have the instincts for it.

As is pretty obvious to everyone by now, UT did the right thing to ban Dov.

Thanks again UT.

Pie · 02-23-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tw

Which means you also find the free exchange and distribution of pedophilia acceptable? Is censorship not the right way to go about those who promote pedophilia pictures?

Actually, that's a very good question. Arguably, you cannot create kiddie porn without harming the kiddies -- that's the legal basis for banning the porn. There's been a whole new can o' worms opened with the concept of "virtual" kiddies -- no real person is being hurt. I still haven't made up my mind on this one.
Yes, pedophiles harm children. Yes, they usually can't be rehabilitated. But unless we want to start giving everyone psych/genetic testing and eliminating all the "unfits", we have to draw the line somewhere. Do the person's actions infringe upon the rights of others? (Where's Radar when I need him?)
- Pie

02-22-2006, 01:21 PM	#181
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	UT, even if it doesn't feel like it sometimes, we appreciate everything that you do. You could establish a DH for IOTD ... __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-22-2006, 02:12 PM	#183
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	And, him and humbug posting shit not marked NSFW. UT has threads for that. Cool UT! __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

02-22-2006, 04:26 PM	#185
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	I'm certainly not crying. I'd personally like to kick Irving in the balls, as well as send him to prison. I just don't think censorship's the right way to go about serving him with what he deserves. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

02-22-2006, 08:08 PM	#188
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I think he meant 'censured' not 'censored'. Of course we all know the two words although very similar have slightly different meanings. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-22-2006, 08:32 PM	#189
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	dov's gone? thank god. it was getting so boring I was about to listen to genesis. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

02-22-2006, 01:47 PM	#182
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	It was all those pic's under "Paint it black" that did me in. Dov could be reasonable when he felt like it. He just very seldom felt like it.

02-22-2006, 09:12 PM	#190
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	Whhhhhhooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh. Guess I can stop holding my breath now. Ahhhh, much better. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

02-23-2006, 01:32 AM	#191
Tonchi Victim of gravity Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hiding in plain sight Posts: 1,412	Thanks to you, UT, for shoveling that stinking pile of shit off the porch here. I never even attempted to comment on anything that jerk wrote because I could tell from his first week onsite that this was all a game he was playing. It's called Mind Fuck. I've seen it played before and I'll confess having tried it myself when I was considerably less mature. The object is not to learn or expound anything, the only purpose is to confound the person(s) you are talking to at every turn. Even if it means spinning on your heels and reversing your previous position, you must never let the other person form a reply or get a handle on the bombast you are hurling at him, always be derisive and negative, and always crush down any attempt to point out facts or pin down one element to resolve it. The subject is irrelevant, the player gets his kicks from preventing anything other that the thread he controls from entering into the discussion. It is manipulative to the max, that is the sole purpose of the game, and I watched that jerk even switch directions and compliment some of you on your "astute observations" so that he could continue to play ringmaster and keep the game moving. I don't doubt that people who like this kind of thing are sociopaths. The game of Mind Fuck is a mainstay on college campuses where there are a lot of immature kids who are trying to make themselves appear powerful and clever, and there are lots of people the gamer can play with who have not reached the point in their lives of knowing what they believe or how to express it. Given the level of intellectual development at The Cellar, I'm amazed that nobody caught on. Dov was just pushing buttons and blowing smoke, he didn't have any agenda more important than making an increasingly disgusting mess and seeing how long we would put up with it. __________________ Everything you've ever heard about Fresno is true.

02-23-2006, 07:27 AM	#193
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Great analysis Tonch. The amazing thing was that he pretty much admitted it a few times. Like that's part of the game too -- like a criminal who leaves clues on purpose.

02-23-2006, 07:55 AM	#194
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I commented earlier above that if I were in charge, I probably wouldn't have banned Dov, even though I didn't like him. After reading recent comments, Dov has become a little clearer to me. It's also clear to me that it's a good thing I'm not in charge. I don't have the instincts for it. As is pretty obvious to everyone by now, UT did the right thing to ban Dov. Thanks again UT.

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