Government Shut Down

[henry quirk]

"individualist"

No. An individual...one who owes you nada.

[henry quirk]

"fuck you, I got mine"

Trite, but true.

Especially the 'fuck you' part.

[Happy Monkey]

So don't delude yourself into thinking that people don't understand.

[Undertoad]

Missin' mine, bro! From where I sit you responded with some kinda horseshit line that sounded interesting but didn't answer my statement at all.

[henry quirk]

"You're really one of us aren't you?"

*sigh*

Yes, I'm a man living in America who uses English (just like a whole whack of other men).

Still missin' my point in this thread (just like happy monkey).

[henry quirk]

Tell you what: if we're gonna tussle, then let's tussle.

But: I'm not gonna waste my time dancing 'round and 'round.

Go back and READ what I've posted in this thread...get the meaning of what I posted (not what you THINK I mean), then refute me.

Till any of you do this: *shrug*



Here’s your cheat sheet of relevant posts…


Keep it shut down (shut down MORE of it, and let it stay down).

And: YAY FOR DEFAULT!



"...others who think a default would have no effect..."

Assuming it gets that far: of course it'll have an effect.

That's what I'm countin' on.



"So you love it that extremists are playing right into China's hand. "

Nope. What I loved was the possibility folks might see for themselves they don't need as much 'governing' as they're told they do.

What I loved was the possibility folks might see the politicians need them a helluva lot more than they need the politicians.

What I loved was the possibility that ludicrous amounts of scrip might stop being spent on horseshit.

China: fuck 'em...what they gonna do? Without the U.S., China goes back to being just a Third World hole.

All moot anyway...*shrug*



"Great. Right up until the part where a bunch of children actually starve for lack of food aid programmes; old people actually freeze in the coming winter because they cannot heat their homes, and a rash of small businesses are crippled by the soaring cost of borrowing."

I get it: I (and folks like 'me') are supposed to carry 'them' because they can't carry themselves.

Make me.

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"You may not need that much government, but there are a fuck of a lot of people who do in fact need government."

And that’s 'their' damned problem.

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"Government didn't expand because it is some hulking beast wanting more and more."

'It' expanded 'cause the mercenary wanted more (more power, more control). To that end: generations were taught (are being taught) that bigger government is better government, that governance of the minutia of living is a necessity, and that no individual can do without the 'guidance' of 'authority.

Utter horseshit.

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"...the alternative to doing so would leave some people for dead"

An unsavory truth (fact): some folks need to die.

If X can't fend for him- or her-self, and X has no one who WANTS to help him or her, then X needs to go.

To demand I care for X is theft (of my time, resources, and self...fuck that noise).

That folks like you have to force folks like me is theft, Dana.

No other assessment makes sense.

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"I honestly don't know what it is you expect to happen if the government were to suddenly shrink to the bone.”

First, it'll never "suddenly shrink to the bone". Like smack in the vein: it's 'needed'.

Second, if it did "suddenly shrink to the bone" I expect lots of folks to suffer...some die; some make it through (and are better for it).

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"Survival of the fittest"

HA!

You write it as though it were a bad phrase.

It's not bad or good...just what 'is'.

Folks like you wanna insulate themselves from it...good luck with that.

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Tell you what, Dana: if children starving and old people freezing bother you so much, devote your time, resources, and 'self' to saving them.

Why do 'I' have to participate?

[Perry Winkle]

So to boil your statements down it's all about you. You have everything you need independent of the rest of humanity, so you really don't care what happens to anyone else. You feel you are unjustly taken advantage of because you subscribe the nonsense argument that taxes are equivalent to extortion.

Is that pretty close to the mark?

[Perry Winkle]

Honestly, it is really hard to figure out what the heck HQ is saying in between all of the regurgitated sound bites.

Can anyone in the US honestly say they benefit in no way from services provided by some form of government? (Remember, you're posting this over the internet. A government funded research experiment.)

[Happy Monkey]

He's saying "fuck you, I got mine", and pretending that there's something more profound in there that nobody is seeing.

[Perry Winkle]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

He's saying "fuck you, I got mine", and pretending that there's something more profound in there that nobody is seeing.

I was just trying to be generous and help unpack that idea a bit, hoping to find some interesting philosophical nugget. I should probably just get back to work.

[Adak]

Of course we benefit from having our federal gov't. Think of all the natural resources we have: coal, gas, oil, timber, prime farmland, big cities with expensive infrastructure. Then there are the human resources!

If we had no military, etc., we'd be conquered by some country in a heartbeat.

@Henry
Apolitical then. Well, that's rare, but your point of view is within the total political spectrum. The Anarchists are the only group I know of that falls outside it - just because of their affinity to violently destroy all gov'ts and order.

[piercehawkeye45]

Henry Quirk is just a narcissist who obviously does not understand how a 21st century (or 20th for that matter) society and economy works. His worldview is only realistically applicable to pre-agricultural society.

*yawn*

[Undertoad]

If there were powerful proxies for all that shit it would be the FIRST THING you'd be railing against.

By human nature, they would be taking advantage of that power harder than any government ever would, and you would rightfully be screaming bloody murder and *demanding* that such things be put to direct democracy or some sort of representative voting, where at least there can be two blocs of political power instead of one.

If you want to see a system where the extremely powerful military is not controlled by the government, look at all the shitty countries of the world that can't govern themselves via the vote. Taking over the military is the first step of all dictators and power brokers everywhere. If you have the military you automatically win and can install any set of rules you like.

But it sure is nice to dream, huh?

[henry quirk]

glatt,

I'm sorry...just read it through again...quotes are 'them'...without quotes is me.

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Toad,

What prevents the American military (any branch you care to name) from staging a coup?

Any branch you care to name has ALL the big guns and you and Mr. Obama got squat.

So: why don't the soldiers just take over?

[henry quirk]

"two blocs of political power instead of one"

With proxies: you'd have HUNDREDS of powers not one or two or three.

Hell, toad, without governance (with proxies) even 'you' might end up a 'something' or 'someone'...