Have we become used to or immune to mass shootings? - Page 14

Happy Monkey · 04-25-2018, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

i'm sorry but the bit in the founding document says "shall not be infringed" not "shall not be removed entirely"

infringed: act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on

It also says that Congress "shall make no law" restricting the "free exercise" of religion, but that doesn't mean you can go Old Testament on somebody.

sexobon · 04-25-2018, 07:55 PM

Donations by individuals to the NRA are at a 15 year high.

Thank you rabid gun control advocates. First you got The Donald elected President and now you're making the NRA more powerful than ever.

Carry on carrying on.

Undertoad · 04-25-2018, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

different meaning of regulated, perhaps, mr. constitutions professor?

Yes, the 1791 definition

http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

Happy Monkey · 04-25-2018, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon

Donations by individuals to the NRA are at a 15 year high.

I thought you were trying to support Bruce's point... Yeah, I don't dispute that the NRA has a lot of rabid followers.

sexobon · 04-25-2018, 08:22 PM

Anti's undermining their own causes with their furious stage methodologies that get Trump elected and the NRA empowered meet my conception of rabid.

Happy Monkey · 04-25-2018, 08:46 PM

Weird argument. The NRA getting more rabid is proof that both sides are equally rabid.

sexobon · 04-25-2018, 08:51 PM

It's hard to make out what you're trying to say when you're foaming at the mouth like that.

tw · 04-25-2018, 10:57 PM

Who was this weeks mass murder of the week? It was not asked 20 years ago when we were less a safe due to less guns and no military caliber munitions.

sexobon · 04-25-2018, 11:14 PM

Did I remember to thank you? I shall do so now for you have done more than anyone else in this community to get Donald Trump elected President and empower the NRA. Your unwavering piety and pomposity has contributed immensely to the downfall of ideas you represent and made you the quintessential enabler of opposing positions.

Thank you, thank you so very much.

Flint · 04-26-2018, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Yes, the 1791 definition

http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

I'm curious about this source, but their 'About' link is a 404 Error

The Meaning of "well regulated militia" section of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution article in Wikipedia actually does contain some excerpts of Supreme Court deliberation on the matter.

But I'm sure the Oxford English Dictionary is a better source of legal wisdom.

Undertoad · 04-26-2018, 02:12 PM

[quote=Flint;1007565]I'm curious about this source, but their 'About' link is a 404 Error

works for me http://www.constitution.org/about.htm

It was just the first link I noticed that explained the 1791 definition.

Flint · 04-26-2018, 02:45 PM

Dude, it's a dictionary entry, and some random guy's blog opinion.

Wikipedia is one click away. Plenty of Supreme Court discussion regarding how to interpret the meaning. One click. I tagged the section.

Undertoad · 04-26-2018, 03:47 PM

"well-regulated" summary of Oxford via constitution.org: "[the] property of something being in proper working order"

then per Wikipedia: The term "regulated" means "disciplined" or "trained".[169] In Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that "[t]he adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."

Proper training, so as for a group to be in proper working order. These definitions are roughly equivalent. I could have used either one.

Cos they're both different from your exasperated sigh R E G U L A T E D definition, am I correct?

Flint · 04-26-2018, 04:40 PM

No, that definition is fine.

As far as I know, that is all anyone is asking for.

The exasperated sigh is: when you ask for the imposition of proper discipline and training, there is a very vocal, very hyperbolic faction of our society that immediately makes the hyper-space jump to "the government / liberal media is going to TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY" --so, as a compromise, we agree to do nothing. And we quibble over dictionary definitions that we don't disagree on.

Undertoad · 04-26-2018, 07:24 PM

04-25-2018, 08:46 PM	#201
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Weird argument. The NRA getting more rabid is proof that both sides are equally rabid. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

04-26-2018, 02:45 PM	#207
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Dude, it's a dictionary entry, and some random guy's blog opinion. Wikipedia is one click away. Plenty of Supreme Court discussion regarding how to interpret the meaning. One click. I tagged the section. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-26-2018, 04:40 PM	#209
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	No, that definition is fine. As far as I know, that is all anyone is asking for. The exasperated sigh is: when you ask for the imposition of proper discipline and training, there is a very vocal, very hyperbolic faction of our society that immediately makes the hyper-space jump to "the government / liberal media is going to TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY" --so, as a compromise, we agree to do nothing. And we quibble over dictionary definitions that we don't disagree on. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-25-2018, 07:55 PM	#197
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	Donations by individuals to the NRA are at a 15 year high. Thank you rabid gun control advocates. First you got The Donald elected President and now you're making the NRA more powerful than ever. Carry on carrying on.

04-25-2018, 08:22 PM	#200
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	Anti's undermining their own causes with their furious stage methodologies that get Trump elected and the NRA empowered meet my conception of rabid.

04-25-2018, 08:51 PM	#202
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	It's hard to make out what you're trying to say when you're foaming at the mouth like that.

04-25-2018, 10:57 PM	#203
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Who was this weeks mass murder of the week? It was not asked 20 years ago when we were less a safe due to less guns and no military caliber munitions.

04-25-2018, 11:14 PM	#204
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	Did I remember to thank you? I shall do so now for you have done more than anyone else in this community to get Donald Trump elected President and empower the NRA. Your unwavering piety and pomposity has contributed immensely to the downfall of ideas you represent and made you the quintessential enabler of opposing positions. Thank you, thank you so very much.

04-26-2018, 02:12 PM	#206
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	[quote=Flint;1007565]I'm curious about this source, but their 'About' link is a 404 Error works for me http://www.constitution.org/about.htm It was just the first link I noticed that explained the 1791 definition.

04-26-2018, 03:47 PM	#208
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	"well-regulated" summary of Oxford via constitution.org: "[the] property of something being in proper working order" then per Wikipedia: The term "regulated" means "disciplined" or "trained".[169] In Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that "[t]he adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training." Proper training, so as for a group to be in proper working order. These definitions are roughly equivalent. I could have used either one. Cos they're both different from your exasperated sigh R E G U L A T E D definition, am I correct?

04-26-2018, 07:24 PM	#210
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423

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