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classicman · 02-02-2009, 07:54 PM

I honesty don't think there is any "one" answer to that question. Where is the line in a world of gray? I dunno. I don't believe there is any clear equation to the question. I think each situation needs to be evaluated on its own set of circumstances. It would be convenient if there were, but there isn't.

classicman · 02-02-2009, 08:34 PM

Hamas leader praises Iran's help in Gaza 'victory'

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TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal on Sunday praised Iran for helping Hamas achieve "victory" over Israel in Gaza, according to Iranian media reports. "The victory of the people of Gaza was a miracle of God and the Islamic Republic definitely has a share in this victory," Meshaal said after meeting with Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, according to Iran's semi-official Fars News Agency.

Meshaal arrived in Tehran for his first visit to the country since Israel's recent military offensive on Gaza, Iranian media reported. He also met with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki.

Meshaal -- who lives in exile in Syria -- is the head of Hamas, which rules the Palestinian territory of Gaza. Hamas has claimed victory over Israeli forces, saying the Jewish state failed to destroy its ability to fire rockets at southern Israel. But Israel has said it achieved its goal in Gaza, which was to change the security situation for southern Israel.

According to Fars News Agency, Khamenei congratulated Meshaal, saying, "The people of Gaza and the Islamic Resistance made us all proud and with their patience and perseverance successfully passed this very difficult test."

The Iranian leader stressed that that the war in Gaza has not yet ended, noting that "the Islamic Resistance must, with full alertness and in proper ways, prepare itself fully for the possibility of the beginning of another war," Fars reported.

Khamenei denounced some Arab countries for criticizing Hamas, and called for Israeli leaders to be tried for war crimes.

That'll help the situation - NOT.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-02-2009, 09:10 PM

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You have forgotten where Hamas gets its support, Iran. Where do you think all that cash they have been handing out comes from.

How did I forget that?

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Because we have very little international interest in those places. Same reason we are not in Darfur. We learned our lesson in Somalia. Hell, even the Europeans can't police their own backyard. Why did we go into Bosnia? You have to pick and choose. You are right, I totally agree, we cannot and should not go in and police the world. Nor should we lay our lives down for these places that are just total shit. But don't turn around and ask us why we will not come and help anymore, because hopefully those days are over. Countries want us to help only when it is their own self interest. Hey, that sounds just like the US.

Completely agree. If a country is ready to become a democracy, they can do it themselves.

TheMercenary · 02-02-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

How did I forget that?

Because it is a fact completely ignored in this situation. Not only ignored, it is down right denied. The fact that Iran is the fuel of the fire needs to be repeated hourly.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-02-2009, 09:45 PM

Yes. Iran supports Hamas. US supports Israel.

Kind of like a mini cold war...

TheMercenary · 02-02-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Yes. Iran supports Hamas. US supports Israel.

Kind of like a mini cold war...

Sorry, that dog does not hunt. You are supporting Hamas and it is obvious in your posts. Iran does not admit to their support of Hamas, even though the wold knows that is bull fucking shit. SO do you support Hamas? Please tell us where you stand on this issue. NOW.

There is no doubt where the US stands. Fuck Hamas.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-02-2009, 09:56 PM

What is obvious is that I do not support Israel. That does not equate to being pro-Hamas.

TheMercenary · 02-02-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

What is obvious is that I do not support Israel. That does not equate to being pro-Hamas.

Come on bro. Don't blow smoke up our skirts. You have not said a damm thing that went against a Hamas position since you have been on here.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-02-2009, 10:06 PM

Why would I say anything against Hamas besides showing you guys that I can be anti-Hamas as well. 95% of this forum is very pro-Israel so I'm never going to argue against Hamas on here. I have argued against pro-Hamas with many other people. Their stance doesn't make any more sense to me, hence why I always say that BOTH sides lead to this problem and that it is a power problem, not moral.

classicman · 02-02-2009, 10:22 PM

Hmm - I'm with Ali - Parking Lot!

TheMercenary · 02-02-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Why would I say anything against Hamas besides showing you guys that I can be anti-Hamas as well. 95% of this forum is very pro-Israel so I'm never going to argue against Hamas on here. I have argued against pro-Hamas with many other people. Their stance doesn't make any more sense to me, hence why I always say that BOTH sides lead to this problem and that it is a power problem, not moral.

I don't buy it. You have defended the actions of Hamas repeatedly.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-02-2009, 11:13 PM

So? I will defend numerous groups I don't support.

TheMercenary · 02-02-2009, 11:31 PM

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So? I will defend numerous groups I don't support.

Good enough. I respect that. Defend the terrorist organizations. I would be interested in your defense.

DanaC · 02-03-2009, 05:05 AM

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

None of us are there. We are all outsiders to this bloody mess. The news we watch is skewed (whichever direction) and the situation so mind-numbingly complicated with politics, personality, vengeance and power (on both sides) that we cannot hope to have a clear picture until the history books are being written in fifty years time, or a hundred.

It is good that pierce will come here and state the other side of the argument. Were it not for Pierce and a couple of others, we would only see one side here. That cannot help anybody's understanding. In such a fraught setting, there are no clean hands. All we are doing here is arguing gradations of blood and dirt. Those who are truly friends to Israel should hear what the Palestinians are screaming. Those truly friend to Palestine, should listen to Israeli cries.

It is not yet time for them to hear each other. Those of us outside and removed have a duty to hear them both.

And that really is the last thing I post in this thread.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-03-2009, 05:16 AM

Can't hear the Palestinians because Hamas is blocking them out with their noise.

02-02-2009, 07:54 PM	#226
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I honesty don't think there is any "one" answer to that question. Where is the line in a world of gray? I dunno. I don't believe there is any clear equation to the question. I think each situation needs to be evaluated on its own set of circumstances. It would be convenient if there were, but there isn't. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

02-02-2009, 09:45 PM	#230
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Yes. Iran supports Hamas. US supports Israel. Kind of like a mini cold war... __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

02-02-2009, 09:56 PM	#232
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	What is obvious is that I do not support Israel. That does not equate to being pro-Hamas. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

02-02-2009, 10:06 PM	#234
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Why would I say anything against Hamas besides showing you guys that I can be anti-Hamas as well. 95% of this forum is very pro-Israel so I'm never going to argue against Hamas on here. I have argued against pro-Hamas with many other people. Their stance doesn't make any more sense to me, hence why I always say that BOTH sides lead to this problem and that it is a power problem, not moral. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

02-02-2009, 10:22 PM	#235
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Hmm - I'm with Ali - Parking Lot! __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

02-02-2009, 11:13 PM	#237
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	So? I will defend numerous groups I don't support. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

02-03-2009, 05:05 AM	#239
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. None of us are there. We are all outsiders to this bloody mess. The news we watch is skewed (whichever direction) and the situation so mind-numbingly complicated with politics, personality, vengeance and power (on both sides) that we cannot hope to have a clear picture until the history books are being written in fifty years time, or a hundred. It is good that pierce will come here and state the other side of the argument. Were it not for Pierce and a couple of others, we would only see one side here. That cannot help anybody's understanding. In such a fraught setting, there are no clean hands. All we are doing here is arguing gradations of blood and dirt. Those who are truly friends to Israel should hear what the Palestinians are screaming. Those truly friend to Palestine, should listen to Israeli cries. It is not yet time for them to hear each other. Those of us outside and removed have a duty to hear them both. And that really is the last thing I post in this thread.

02-03-2009, 05:16 AM	#240
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Can't hear the Palestinians because Hamas is blocking them out with their noise. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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