Obama--the grumblings - Page 18

TheMercenary · 03-01-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR

Now, the poor just deal with low wages. With a flat tax, the percentage tax required to run the country would have to be high enough to run the middle class into the working class, the working class into the lower class, and the lower class right under the nearest bridge.

A flat tax benefits only the rich, and they have enough benefits already.

I would disagree with that.

capnhowdy · 03-01-2009, 11:17 AM

pssssstttt......

We always have and always will have a permanent lower class.
Some people just refuse to rise above it.

TGRR · 03-01-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by capnhowdy

pssssstttt......

We always have and always will have a permanent lower class.
Some people just refuse to rise above it.

Of course. That's why the mode income is $20k/year, and that's why you're a billionaire with 3 lear jets, that still somehow can't find anything better to do than post on the internet.

Am I right, Horatio Alger? Tell me when I lose the plot. You're one of those successful self-employed, self-made men that started off so poor you lived in a sanitary landfill, but hard work has made you the rich man you are today? Like every other laissez faire proponent on the internet?

sugarpop · 03-02-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by capnhowdy

pssssstttt......

We always have and always will have a permanent lower class.
Some people just refuse to rise above it.

Jesus Christ. yea, blame poor people for being poor. Read some Jonathan Kozol, please.

capnhowdy · 03-01-2009, 12:07 PM

No.
I am the motherfucker that risked my life to earn your freedom to sit on your sorry ass and attempt to agitate others on the internet.

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every other laissez faire proponent on the internet?

Take a look at yourself, asswipe.
And meanwhile....... Fuck off!

TGRR · 03-01-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by capnhowdy

No.
I am the motherfucker that risked my life to earn your freedom to sit on your sorry ass and attempt to agitate others on the internet.

Take a look at yourself, asswipe.
And meanwhile....... Fuck off!

Yes, because you're the only person that ever served. Quit your fucking sniveling. There's nothing more pathetic than someone who thinks their service = an argument. Drink water and drive on...or more likely, get back behind that typewriter.

TGRR,
Served when you were a naughty thought, kid.

capnhowdy · 03-01-2009, 12:29 PM

Serve what?
Big Macs and fries?

I usually avoid this thread because most of the people who post here have so much more knowledge about this topic than I.
Maybe you should consider this option. But you won't because the internet is the only place you can argue without someone like me kicking your ass.
Face it, man these guys are eating your ass for breakfast at regular intervals and it pisses you off. It won't get better. These guys just keep getting smarter. This is obvious to everyone in the Cellar. Except you. Pussy.

TGRR · 03-01-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by capnhowdy

Serve what?
Big Macs and fries?

I usually avoid this thread because most of the people who post here have so much more knowledge about this topic than I.
Maybe you should consider this option. But you won't because the internet is the only place you can argue without someone like me kicking your ass.
Face it, man these guys are eating your ass for breakfast at regular intervals and it pisses you off. It won't get better. These guys just keep getting smarter. This is obvious to everyone in the Cellar. Except you. Pussy.

You should do something about that rage problem of yours, junior.

capnhowdy · 03-01-2009, 12:32 PM

Damn. We agree on something.

TheMercenary · 03-01-2009, 02:05 PM

Well my reasoning is that if you eliminate the loop holes and deductions for everyone, regardless of how much you make or how little you make, the rich pay the same percentage of their income as the middle class, and the poor. Everyone benefits. The rich pay more taxes now and they will pay more taxes under a flat tax than anyone who makes less than them.

TGRR · 03-01-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Well my reasoning is that if you eliminate the loop holes and deductions for everyone, regardless of how much you make or how little you make, the rich pay the same percentage of their income as the middle class, and the poor. Everyone benefits. The rich pay more taxes now and they will pay more taxes under a flat tax than anyone who makes less than them.

Okay. What percentage are we talking about, here?

capnhowdy · 03-01-2009, 02:25 PM

Also, taxes would be collected from drug dealers, prostitutes, scam artists, cash only 'contractors', etc.
Usually, the more you make the more you spend. With the flat tax, if you want to decrease your taxes, slow down on your spending.
The reason the crack /drug dealers can afford their Escalades w/22's is all their income is tax free. The flat tax is the only way to ensure that everyone pays their share.
Almost anyone can find loopholes in todays tax system to hide their income, But we should all be smart enough to know that an unemployed person can't afford the things I see lots of the 'system bums' have.
Also, this would banish the need for the IRS. It's a win/win situation.... unless of course you are an undesirable as mentioned above. IMO, these taxes should be omitted for food and utilities and other 'necessary' living expenses. Call it socialist if you want, but capnhowdy is tired of supporting derelicts. If you can spend it, obviously you've got it.

Pours another scotch and contemplates buying my fourth leer. Nah.....

xoxoxoBruce · 03-01-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by capnhowdy

Also, taxes would be collected from drug dealers, prostitutes, scam artists, cash only 'contractors', etc.

How would you propose to accomplish that? Voluntary disclosure?

capnhowdy · 03-01-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

How would you propose to accomplish that? Voluntary disclosure?

Every time you buy something, you pay a flat rate sales tax. No disclosure. You got it, you spend it, you pay the tax. You don't have it, you can't spend it, you don't pay the tax. There's nowhere to hide. This is my opinion, Bruce. Like I said in the posts you must have skipped, It will prolly never fly but I think it would be fair.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-01-2009, 08:56 PM

Oh, got ya. You're not talking about a flat tax, you're talking about a sales tax. Sorry, I misunderstood you.

03-01-2009, 11:17 AM	#2
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	pssssstttt...... We always have and always will have a permanent lower class. Some people just refuse to rise above it. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

03-01-2009, 12:29 PM	#7
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	Serve what? Big Macs and fries? I usually avoid this thread because most of the people who post here have so much more knowledge about this topic than I. Maybe you should consider this option. But you won't because the internet is the only place you can argue without someone like me kicking your ass. Face it, man these guys are eating your ass for breakfast at regular intervals and it pisses you off. It won't get better. These guys just keep getting smarter. This is obvious to everyone in the Cellar. Except you. Pussy. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

03-01-2009, 12:32 PM	#9
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	Damn. We agree on something. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

03-01-2009, 02:05 PM	#10
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Well my reasoning is that if you eliminate the loop holes and deductions for everyone, regardless of how much you make or how little you make, the rich pay the same percentage of their income as the middle class, and the poor. Everyone benefits. The rich pay more taxes now and they will pay more taxes under a flat tax than anyone who makes less than them. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-01-2009, 02:25 PM	#12
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	Also, taxes would be collected from drug dealers, prostitutes, scam artists, cash only 'contractors', etc. Usually, the more you make the more you spend. With the flat tax, if you want to decrease your taxes, slow down on your spending. The reason the crack /drug dealers can afford their Escalades w/22's is all their income is tax free. The flat tax is the only way to ensure that everyone pays their share. Almost anyone can find loopholes in todays tax system to hide their income, But we should all be smart enough to know that an unemployed person can't afford the things I see lots of the 'system bums' have. Also, this would banish the need for the IRS. It's a win/win situation.... unless of course you are an undesirable as mentioned above. IMO, these taxes should be omitted for food and utilities and other 'necessary' living expenses. Call it socialist if you want, but capnhowdy is tired of supporting derelicts. If you can spend it, obviously you've got it. Pours another scotch and contemplates buying my fourth leer. Nah..... __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

03-01-2009, 08:56 PM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Oh, got ya. You're not talking about a flat tax, you're talking about a sales tax. Sorry, I misunderstood you. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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