Who Supports the War(s)

[Cairo]

Sycamore,
The Bible is a Historical journey of events that happened from Third Century B.C.E. thru 68 C.E.
Sounds like History to me...unless you haven't the faith that it happened. The Bible is also a book of instructions by God.

http://cweb.loc.gov/exhibits/scrolls/toc.html

No, 6 months ago some councilman here petitioned the court to revise the History of the Alamo to omit parts of the last stand because some Hispanics might be ancestors and be offended at the slaughter, or some such B.S....He lost and the courts upheld the true History!
How does a perspective born out of lies enhance ones knowledge? I contend it "dumbs-down" our children because the truth is erased.

As for Jefferson...there ya go propagating the truth again! Seems the revisionist fabrication into History fooled even you!
The link clearly states that Eaton Hemings has the same Y-chromosome as 25 different Jefferson males in that area at that time, who ranged in age from 16-68 years old, Thomas Jefferson being the oldest at 68 years when this boy was conceived! 68 years old back then, is equivalent to 88 years by todays standard of life, and there was NO VIAGRA back then, Dumbazz!

I believe I was asked Why do "you think" or How do "you know" binLaden is dead...ask for my opinion, and you get it! That's what this forum is for, 'nes pas?
Debating the issue is NOT crying about it, crying about it is what you do when I check your sorry socialist rear! Typical!

[Cairo]

The bottom line is...
If Bill Gates DBA Microsoft has broken the law, prove it in court and he/they will be punished! If not, you're just jealous and envious like the Devil that you failed to be as successful as you perceive him to be!

Healthcare...you should be angry at lawyers and patients who commit fraud! Lawsuits are what causes costs to rise through the roof. A lot of Americans are realizing that the choice to not carry insurance is less expense in the long run. Example: If I pay $340.00 per month for 80% full coverage, and I see the doctor 2 times that month, it costs me $368.00. If I don't have insurance, and I see a doctor 2 times in a month, it costs me $156.00.
Maternity...with insurance, your 20% cost is $1,500.00 plus you have paid $4,080.00 for that year of insurance. No insurance, save up $2,500.00 and your baby is paid for! We are getting smart,
just realize that the insurance industry is like the retail industry in that those who don't shop at Macy's cause Macy's to have sales to pull them in, those who do shop at Macy's and steal from them cause Macy's to mark up prices, and those who are honest buyers pay that price!
This analogy may be too intellectually advanced for some here to comprehend, so don't even try!

[Cam]

The link clearly states that Eaton Hemings has the same Y-chromosome as 25 different Jefferson males in that area at that time, who ranged in age from 16-68 years old, Thomas Jefferson being the oldest at 68 years when this boy was conceived! 68 years old back then, is equivalent to 88 years by todays standard of life, and there was NO VIAGRA back then, Dumbazz!

So all older men need viagra. Hmmm, seems a little unrealistic to me, sounds like Bob Dole has gotten into your head.

The Bible is a Historical journey of events that happened from Third Century B.C.E. thru 68 C.E.

The bible is not a record of facts. It's a record of faith. Big difference. When you start to confuse the two your spitting in the face of God given intelligence.

ust realize that the insurance industry is like the retail industry in that those who don't shop at Macy's cause Macy's to have sales to pull them in, those who do shop at Macy's and steal from them cause Macy's to mark up prices, and those who are honest buyers pay that price!
This analogy may be too intellectually advanced for some here to comprehend, so don't even try!

Yep that flew right over my head.

Oh, my mind is open...just not to Socialism!

So your mind is closed?

Originally posted by Cairo
Maternity...with insurance, your 20% cost is $1,500.00 plus you have paid $4,080.00 for that year of insurance. No insurance, save up $2,500.00 and your baby is paid for! We are getting smart,

Apparently they redefined that last word there.

Sure, there are lots of cases where it's not cost efficient to have insurance. I'm pretty healthy and I haven't been to the doctor in a few years now. I've still been paying for insurance, and by your reasoning, I'm getting totally ripped off. Fortunately it's called "insurance", and I pay for it so that I am assured coverage in the case of an accident.

Here's an example for you: seven years ago, I was shot in the face by an irresponsible neighbor. I spent a week in the hospital and had probably thirty doctor appointments over the next eight months. At that point, I was an add-on to my father's insurance, and I was probably costing $50 a month. Now, let's assume $20,000 for the helicopter, hospital stay and surgery (which is on the low end, but I don't recall the exact numbers). And we'll go ahead and add $78 per appointment thereafter, totalling $2,340. So our grand total for that fiasco comes out to about $22,340. If we divide that by the amount my father paid each month to have me on his insurance, we come out to 446.8 months (I'll round down, so that the numbers are more favorable to you). 446 months is 37 years and 2 months, meaning that if that one incident was the only reason I ever visited a doctor in my entire life, my dad would break even after 37 years of paying for my insurance.

Now, suppose you're paying $340 each month for 80% coverage (that's from your example). They're only covering $17,872 from that $22,340 medical bill, which leaves you with $4,468 in up-front costs. Plus, you're paying $340 each month. Divide that into your $17,872 of coverage for that particular incident and you'd have to pay for 52 months (4 years, 4 months) to cover it. That's assuming you have no other medical visits whatsoever over that period of time. Plus, you got stuck with a shitty $4,468 bill.

Insurance exists because the world doesn't necessarily work the way we'd like it to. I'm not happy that I got shot, but I'm thankful that hospital bills didn't bankrupt my father.

Whether or not you like it, there's a place in this world for insurance. And whether or not you'd like to admit it, it's smart to have it. Because you can never <b>know</b> whether or not you'll need it.

By the way, the quote in your signature is wrong. I'd appreciate it if you'd fix it. The actual words are "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

[Cairo]

Cam,
The fact that you want so badly to demonize a Founding Father of this Country on speculation and probability that flies against the odds, is unrealistic at best, to me! The odds against TJ being the father are 96% not. Common sense tells us that Sally fell in love with one of the 20+ year old Jeffersons and got pregnant...she was no stranger to sex, this was her 2nd child!

So you base your faith on...what? Truth? And truth is found through....FACTS!!!!
As children we believe in the tooth fairy, based on what our parents tell us to be truths. When we get older and find, in fact, our parents are the tooth fairy, we no longer believe...or are you saying you do?
I said, a Historical journey of events...it's up to each reader to decide the truth or facts of the Bible's record for themselves.

Over your head?...Doesn't surprise me. LOL...
I have closed my mind to Socialism because I've read and researched what it does to a Country of the People, for the People. And it ain't pretty!

[Cam]

I was just pointing out the fact that your argument above was pretty much worthless. Do I think there is a 100% probability he is the father, no. The media overplayed the DNA test. It’s been too long for the test to be a fool proof method of Jefferson being the father. But to discount it because Viagra wasn’t available….

Faith is faith, if you start basing your faith on facts your going to find yourself believing in science as the true answer. Once you do that your life is going to be pretty meaningless.

I was being slightly sarcastic, as your use of grammar was about the skill level of a 4th grader. I doubt anyone understood that sentence.

[Cairo]

dave,
Of course I agree with you that having the choice is always best, because some need insurance and some do not. My beef is with the affordability of choosing to have it. I don't think you are getting "ripped off" because you have coverage, I think you are getting ripped off because your cost is hardly affordable due to insurance fraud perpetrated by lawyers.(As the mark up of clothing is due to shoplifters)

Those who choose to not carry insurance are not poor or unable, they are taking a stand, and saying to the lawyers to stop the lawsuit frauds that drive up doctor/hospital insurance so our coverage can again be affordable. I also have to add that in an emergency(such as yours, and I'm very sorry you had to go through such a horrific experience, I'm glad you are O.K..) people with no insurance can make monthly payments of as much as you can afford...be it $10.00 or $100.00, they have to accept it. That's why I stated "in the long run."
because most of the time we are healthy without incident as you are now.
Thanks for the reply, and spelling out the importance of having the choice.

As for my sig....not bad recall from only hearing it once, eh? The meaning is the same, and I'm not sure how to get back in to fix it, can you tell me how? Thanks.

[Cam]

As the mark up of clothing is due to shoplifters

See now if you would have said that the first time I wouldn't have had to say anything. That anyone with a brain can understand. I understood your previous analogy but I had to read it 4 times to figure out what you were saying.

[Cairo]

My impression of Cam's "adult" reply....

"Whaaaaaa, I can't justify how a 68 year old man is as studly as 24 younger, more able bodies...Whaaaaa, I still believe in the tooth fairy....Whaaaaa, so I'll call you a fourth grader, and Whaaaaaa, claim IGNORANCE.....whaaaa haaaa ha."

WHO'S worthless???? Piss off!

[Cam]

I never claimed to be an adult, I'm just a 20 year old college student trying to survive another semester. And yes I do claim ignorance. I know very little of the world. But then again I know enough that I take the time to see both sides of an argument and listen to reason. I also know enough to see that my finals are more important then listening to you. Time to say goodbye to cairo for the next two weeks.

[Cairo]

Cam,
I did say that in the first place, almost word for word...who else besides a shoplifter "steals from Macy's"???
Here's another puzzle that boggles the anti-corporate mind...If you don't want We the People to run and privately control business, and you don't want Government to run and control business, and a mix of the two causes bankruptcy and power struggle for one to dominate.....who's left? What's the solution? Just something to ponder.

[Tobiasly]

Originally posted by Cairo
Of course I agree with you that having the choice is always best, because some need insurance and some do not.

Those lawyers don't give a rat's ass whether you carry insurance or not. How is refusing insurance taking a stand against them?

[Cairo]

Cam,
I understand, good luck on your finals!
C-ya later.

[Cam]

I did say that in the first place, almost word for word...who else besides a shoplifter "steals from Macy's"???

As the mark up of clothing is due to shoplifters

just realize that the insurance industry is like the retail industry in that those who don't shop at Macy's cause Macy's to have sales to pull them in, those who do shop at Macy's and steal from them cause Macy's to mark up prices, and those who are honest buyers pay that price!

[Cairo]

Tobiasly,
Refusing to carry insurance causes the insurance company to "have a sale" to pull you in, like Foley's department stores are notorious for their Red Apple Sale, which brings in people who never set foot in Foley's otherwise. But insurance can not do this until lawyers are reigned in from their free for all fraud...torte reform. They do give a rat's ass about torte reform!