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I love it when a plan comes together.
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Recruit or Something
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Joe Biden
Joe Biden??? Really??? Are we going to pretend how he treats women is "normal"? Right . . .
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St Petersburg, Florida
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Pete Buttigeig seems like the most reasonable of those democrats running.
He's likable. He's gay but doesn't seem to define his life around that fact. I don't know if I could ever vote for a democrat but Mr. Pete's not a polarizing personality. Buttigieg’s immigration policies are very vague — he favors a “path to citizenship.” My own view is that the only Democrat who will beat Trump next year will campaign for control of immigration, legal and undocumented, in a sane and humane way. The issue will be dominant again — because of a huge wave of migrants, many of them rural Guatemalans, who are overwhelming the border, trying to enter the U.S. at a current pace of 100,000 a month. Their ability to claim asylum under current law permits them to show up at the border, get admitted and processed by the Border Patrol, and then released into the interior, to reside here until a court date, which could come up years later. The backlog in the underfunded immigration courts is vast, with more than a million still in line for a hearing. Many of the migrants won’t show up for the court date; those who do can still resist deportation indefinitely. What this means is that the U.S. now has an effectively open border with Mexico, and, according to the American Bar Association, the immigration system is “irredeemably dysfunctional and on the brink of collapse.” Repeating the Democratic mantra that there is no border crisis will not work for much longer. This year will see more undocumented immigrants than in any year under Obama. And the high rate of success among those trying to enter to the country now encourages more migrants to make the journey, especially given the forces of disorder and climate change that are forcing people to flee. The lesson from Europe in 2015 is that a migrant surge fuels itself, as word gets back home. And then white nationalism takes off. |
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I get your overall point though, and you sound reasonable. I hate the optics of a wall though. We aren't East Germany. |
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Undocumented immigrants from the south follow the jobs. In 2009 when Obama took over, there had been a massive drop in money and jobs available the previous year. There were actually people leaving across that border.
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Wow, thanks. See TW? Reasonable. Not wacko extremist. Not in this thread anyway. Optics is a good point that I'd not considered. But who would see the wall besides US border residents and naughty "migrants"? And aside from Maddow viewers seeing endless videos of it. So after the economy crashes we'll need ladders if there is a wall. Or ramps on the inside? |
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Everyone would know it was there, if it was built, just like everyone knew the iron curtain was there without having to go see it in person.
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Intelligent Yang take from youtube essayist 1791.
(TL;DW: Yang is transformative in a time during which we will require transformation. His ideas attract both lefty and righty audiences and demand consideration.) |
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I just picked up Yang's book.
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Mr. Yang has some interesting ideas. Very good ideas.
Sure, if he's elected president guys like me would still end up in FEMA camps but let's hear more. |
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Are FEMA camps the new death panels?
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That reference was used as a parody of whacko right wing extremists™.
FEMA camps FEMA regions map Old conspiracy theory. |
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#28 |
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I suppose FEMA will deny the Soylent Green mills in Area 51, too.
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Not if Bigfoot has anything to say about it.
Doesn't seem to be on any ticket yet, even as VP, so only time will tell. |
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Not to worry. Corporate America is getting ready for them even if the government isn't. What could possibly go wrong (holy Blackwater Batman)؟ Quote:
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