8 men fined after friend drinks himself to death - Page 2

tw · 09-04-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

In the US you can sue the bar that sells you too many drinks if you go out and kill yourself driving after drinking them... so the US law is pretty clear on this kinda' BS.

An innocent third party killed by the drunk can sue the bar. Big difference. A bar that continues serving one so obviously drunk is negligent - participated in killing other third parties. The drunk does not sue. The drunk is not a victim.

Spexxvet · 09-05-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

In the US you can sue the bar that sells you too many drinks if you go out and kill yourself driving after drinking them... so the US law is pretty clear on this kinda' BS.
Personally, I think it is stupid. You are an adult, your actions are your own.

If you kill yourself, how can you sue?

My emphasis.

09-04-2006, 11:59 AM

How is the bar supposed to know that they are driving? Mind reading? Chrystal ball? Tarot? Trust them to tell the truth?
The ABC that sells them "too much" should be in the same boat then.

tw · 09-04-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

How is the bar supposed to know that they are driving? Mind reading? Chrystal ball? Tarot? Trust them to tell the truth?
The ABC that sells them "too much" should be in the same boat then.

A man can be drunk and not appear to be drunk. Prove that in court and the bar is not guilty. But a bar may not serve an obviously intoxicated person whether a drunk is driving or not. If the person does anything fatal to others, driving or not, then the bar that served an obviously intoxicated person is at fault. The party that can sue is the victim. In the China case, who is the victim?

Trilby · 09-04-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

How is the bar supposed to know that they are driving? ...Tarot?

To use Tarot to decide whether someone is too impaired to drive or not seems an abuse. I'd go more for mind-meld a la Spock.

Griff · 09-04-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

I'd go more for mind-meld a la Spock.

Mind-meld would cause some impairment in the tender. We could simply screen the alcohol out of his body when we beam him home.

09-04-2006, 02:48 PM

Exactly, or the person can be drunk before they get to the bar... in all cases, the logic of blaming the bar or the friends is faulty.

Stormieweather · 09-04-2006, 03:16 PM

How do you "make" someone drink too much? Sit on them and pour it down their throat? If they did that, then yes...the friends are at fault. However, although urging an intoxicated individual to have another drink may be irresponsible, it is ultimately up to the drinker to say no, I've had enough.

A bartender has a different responsibility. He is the source of the alcohol and sells for profit. So rather than attempt to make another sale at the expense of an innocent who may get in the way of the drunk customer, he needs to slow or stop the customer's consumption before they reach dangerous levels.

Stormie

09-06-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormieweather

How do you "make" someone drink too much? Sit on them and pour it down their throat? If they did that, then yes...the friends are at fault. However, although urging an intoxicated individual to have another drink may be irresponsible, it is ultimately up to the drinker to say no, I've had enough.

A bartender has a different responsibility. He is the source of the alcohol and sells for profit. So rather than attempt to make another sale at the expense of an innocent who may get in the way of the drunk customer, he needs to slow or stop the customer's consumption before they reach dangerous levels.

Stormie

Wow... the liquor store that sells anything other than those little "airplane" bottles are fucked then.

breakingnews · 09-06-2006, 01:28 AM

sorry, quoting spexx:

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If you kill yourself, how can you sue? My emphasis.

Your estate - i.e., to whomever your assets are willed, or your next closest kin - can sue.

Spexxvet · 09-06-2006, 10:56 AM

This could have a chilling effect on the "chug, chug, chug" chant.

Ibby · 09-06-2006, 11:01 AM

"drink a bit! drink a bit! drink a bit!" just doesnt have the same ring to it...

Flint · 09-06-2006, 02:36 PM

I've been so drunk I almost died, many times, and I don't blame anybody but me.

tw · 09-06-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I've been so drunk I almost died, many times, and I don't blame anybody but me.

And you would be right to only blame yourself. That is your perspective. Meanwhile, those who encouraged you to drink would be right to only blame themselves. Again, the world is chock full of perspectives. Even though you rightly consider yourself 100% responsible does not affect them. They must only blame themselves; take their own 100% blame for encouraging you to almost kill yourself.

There is not a 100% blame to be divided up among the guilty. Each person's responsibility is from his own perspective - and applied by those (the law) that apply punishment based only on each person's perspective.

A most powerful force - often stronger than the law - is peer pressure. So powerful that peer pressure is essential for quality in business. Peer pressure can kill just as easily as the actor. Irresponsible use of peer pressure can result in deadly force. There is no excuse for irresponsible use of peer pressure.

Meanwhile you are 100% responsible for drinking too much regardless of peer pressure. Nothing is fair about being responsible.

Trilby · 09-06-2006, 02:36 PM

What about the Asian Flush that is supposed to guard these people from this sort of thing? *ponder, ponder*

09-04-2006, 03:16 PM	#8
Stormieweather Wearing her bitch boots Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Floriduh Posts: 1,181	How do you "make" someone drink too much? Sit on them and pour it down their throat? If they did that, then yes...the friends are at fault. However, although urging an intoxicated individual to have another drink may be irresponsible, it is ultimately up to the drinker to say no, I've had enough. A bartender has a different responsibility. He is the source of the alcohol and sells for profit. So rather than attempt to make another sale at the expense of an innocent who may get in the way of the drunk customer, he needs to slow or stop the customer's consumption before they reach dangerous levels. Stormie __________________ "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi

09-06-2006, 10:56 AM	#11
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	This could have a chilling effect on the "chug, chug, chug" chant. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

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09-04-2006, 11:59 AM	#3
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	How is the bar supposed to know that they are driving? Mind reading? Chrystal ball? Tarot? Trust them to tell the truth? The ABC that sells them "too much" should be in the same boat then.

09-04-2006, 02:48 PM	#7
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Exactly, or the person can be drunk before they get to the bar... in all cases, the logic of blaming the bar or the friends is faulty.

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