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10-07-2006, 06:31 PM | #16 |
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I can understand the shirts, CDs and paraphanalia...replace the stuff they now covet with new stuff they can covet. After all, it's easier to guide them to the right fork in the road, than it is to get them out of their car.
That said, I've got a big problem with these whip 'em into a frenzy, theatrical tactics. They are very effective if you want to start a war or lynch somebody, but really unfair to teens that are soooo susceptible to the mob hysteria peer pressure. I don't think that's an acceptable way to present the pros and cons of the choice to follow Christ's teachings or not. Apparently, they feel it's ok as part of the religion business though. Smart too, like the first time you get drunk, high, or orgasm, it'll never feel quite as good again and you'll probably remember it fondly. Same for these kids being whipped into a hysteria and they'll associate the adrenaline rush of the mob with Religion. Remember Christian sects aren't the only ones that do this, though.
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10-07-2006, 08:33 PM | #18 |
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I don't remember...I probably just shit and left.
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10-07-2006, 08:44 PM | #19 |
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I do seem to recall that most priests have a personal chalice, though, usually purchased by their families at the time of their ordination. I attended mass at a friend's parish with his family quite a bit following his death (I was there on a lot of Saturday nights, so I went along). I was quite interested to see a plain clay cup, pitchers, and plate used for the communion offering. First time I'd ever seen that ... my childhood parish was heavy duty traditional Italian neighborhood Roman Catholic and they had a gold chalice you could stun an ox with.
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10-08-2006, 12:05 AM | #21 | |
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10-08-2006, 08:21 AM | #22 | |
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Sometimes what we find phoney is what we don't know or understand. That is Panglosses reaction to the Times pictures or honestly my reaction to my first exposure to White Southern Baptist preaching. The teens in that picture are looking for someting bigger than themselves and something better than American pop culture. From experience, (we Catholics have our charismatics as well) some of them will burn out pretty quick lacking a serious grounding in the church but some will form a lasting bond and may even change their lives.
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10-08-2006, 09:36 AM | #23 |
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I don't really see the problem with creating exciting experiences for Christian children and teens to keep them within their parents' faith. I've mentioned elsewhere that my first experience of going to a festival was a Christian one. There is NO way my parents would have let me go to a secular music festival at that age (quite rightly).
Of course being a British it was reasonably low key (Jesus loves you, we love Jesus, hey it would be cool if you loved him too) but it was a wonderful experience to be able to talk openly about faith, God, worship etc. Less fun was being woken up by the Norwegian singing group near us at their morning worship, but at least no-one tripped over my guy ropes and was sick on my tent as happened in later years at Reading (non-secular!) Non Christian parents are happy enough to celebrate Christmas, calling it a special time, a time for peace and love, a time to put other people before yourself etc etc etc. They are not celebrating the birth of Christ, not attending worship. They do not use advent to prepare their hearts and minds for the coming of Christ (chocolate advent calendars?) But it is seen as acceptable. So Christian teens get music and hysteria without drugs, booze and sex. So the identify themselves by their dress code, except what their t shirts are promoting isn't a brand name but their faith. So they feel they belong, not to a group of kids who follow eachother, but to a global religion. Good for them. Teens will get fanatical, whether it's about music, clothes, film stars, alternative lifestyles or Jesus. If they've chosen to follow Christ why shouldn't they have their fun in their own way. Oh and btw - in Britain the Catholic church so isn't into the old gold & ostentation. Henry VIII took all our best churches way back when. We have brick ones on the local estates built by the communities. And the Catholics I know give plenty to charity, including their time and effort as well as money. Don't get me wrong - I love a bit of gilt & incense, but that's not the Church I grew up in.
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10-08-2006, 01:27 PM | #27 |
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Sorry for all the touchiness on the subject--I hung out with Southern Baptists for a while (bout three years) and they always told me that my mom was going to their hell for being a Catholic no matter how good she was. They urged my whole family to get "saved". Really stuck in my craw.
I hung out at this church because at the time I was in therapy; my therapist was a SB and she told me all my problems could be solved by being 'saved' in her church and that I needed these church folk to 'guide' me. I DID go to many Bible classes and services and women's gatherings and even Emmaus (which WAS pretty cool) but I saw so much there I could not accept that I didn't stay. Last edited by Trilby; 10-08-2006 at 01:30 PM. |
10-09-2006, 11:51 AM | #28 | |
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I can't go there. My mom surely tried her damndest, however. To this day she is "dissapointed" in me, and never misses a moment to tell me so. I could run a shelter for the homeless and she would still be "dissapointed" simply because I don't suscribe to her religion. Thanks, mom. Heaven and Hell are on earth. Oh. Bullit. Are you the Bullit from the movie, you know, the Steve McQueen movie? I'm currently enjoying Lalo Schifrin's soundtrack score from that movie...pretty cool stuff.
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BTW, most churches use only 10-15% of their take on charity, & that is liberal. Most goes to "administrative fees".
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