Zeitgeist

[Clodfobble]

I don't understand why the first half-hour of the movie was about Christianity's roots in pagan and Egyptian tradition. Admittedly, I skipped ahead during several boring parts, but there seemed to be no segue at all into the 9/11 conspiracy...?

[Sundae]

Admittedly I went skippety-skip too.
But I pitched up ina part with images of the towers falling and voiceovers claiming that they were brought down from the inside, that it was clearly a demolition etc etc. As it fit with what Joe said in his post I suddenly became too weary to continue. I might never get that 2 hours back you see.

[toranokaze]

We know for a fact that the US government lies to the American people. Lets take a look at Norm Chosmky:
http://www.surfthechannel.com/info/d...a+is+made.html

Here is something interesting:
http://www.surfthechannel.com/info/d...+as+Debt.html#

Does the burning of the Righ Stag sound familiar?
http://www.surfthechannel.com/info/d...8HiRes%29.html
http://www.surfthechannel.com/info/d...+Tyranny.html#

[piercehawkeye45]

The US government lies to the American people but the 9/11 conspiracy is pure bullshit.

In order for the conspiracy to happen:

• Thousands of people would have to be boughten off.
• Al-Qaeda would have to work with the United States to give the United States more power. (It would be similar to violent anarchists working with the SWAT team to get them more power)
• The "elite" would have to risk revolution for a small gain in power. They already have economic power, getting any more would be very risky for them.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Funny. I remember the last time you trotted out a bizarre conspiracy theory Whip. Re the two Sheffield football teams never being allowed to play in the same league, and that all results were fixed to prevent this.

I thought you were a nut-job then and I think you're a nut-job now.

Anyone that believes that the Twin Towers fell for any reason other than terrorists flying planes into them has very little logic, deductive reasoning, comprehension skills or basic human wit. You have my pity.

Well I guess you have pity for me, but I don't want it....Besides there are more legitmate reasons to pity me.

Sundae "Pity's the foo'"....lol!

My friend of years, that is pretty conservative sent me the link to this movie first. She's pretty level-headed most of the time, and I admit I still haven't watched it.....She doesn't need your pity either. You can take that to the bank and get a pound, or two. You can keep all your pity to your self. Your universal opinion about anyone who believes this or that sucks. Troll lately?
:p

I do believe the planes flew into the WTC by terrorists....I also believe a lot of other hectic shit happened, that isn't as complex or time costly as other people would have me believe, also happened. So, the general statement you just made, does suck.....It just sucks that you would box people into such negative categories because their belief opposes yours. You must have been in a mood or something, I'll write this off.

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl
Anyone that believes that the Twin Towers fell for any reason other than terrorists flying planes into them has very little logic, deductive reasoning, comprehension skills or basic human wit. You have my pity.

Originally Posted by Cicero

Well I guess you have pity for me, but I don't want it....Besides there are more legitmate reasons to pity me.

snip

I do believe the planes flew into the WTC by terrorists...

Firstly, WHIP has already believed a completely irrational conspiracy theory which was disproved this year. Therefore establishing a track record in my opinion.
Secondly, if you believe that terrorists flew planes into the World Trade Center I have no idea what the issue is.

I admit I may have taken the part of the film I saw out of context, being too slack to watch more than a few minutes. That I apologise for. But I stand by my opinion that it goes against logic, reasoning and basic comprehension to look at the evidence out there and deduce that elements in the American Govt blew up the Twin Towers.

Sundae "Pity's the foo'"....lol!

Still, if I made you laugh then I guess it's worth it.

[Trilby]

what I want to know is if Whip is from French Canada or the Bullshit Canada?

makes a world of difference you know.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

snip

reasoning and basic comprehension to look at the evidence out there and deduce that elements in the American Govt blew up the Twin Towers.

Still, if I made you laugh then I guess it's worth it.

Basic comprehension is for the basic my friend....There are tons of other comprehensive skills....We all forget that. I think it is easily described as motive. It's just too simple to overlook. The laws put in place were writ here before the act happened, not out of readiness mind you, and it's just too easy to follow the series of events, and the natural outcome.

It isn't a complex plot by any means. Not for iraqi's or Americans, that is a side arguement for the dull and dim-witted.

As for conspiracy's? I've seen more involved conspiracies come out of a group of ridiculous receptionists trying to get the new girl fired in 2 seconds flat. People can't pretend to tell me what people are capable of in a limited amount of time and means......Don't tell me conspracies don't happen easily and affordably quite quickly, as I see it every day for lesser reasons.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Conspiracy theorists always strike me as frustrated romantics. They're looking for the explanation that's ... the most fun. This allows them to suck some meaning into their mosquito lives.

Conspiracy theory has the signal defect of ascribing to malice what can be more simply explained by stupidity. Momentary, temporary, or permanent.

[Sundae]

Finally took the time out to watch it.

I won't comment on Part 1 as I am an atheist, so it was preaching to the converted. Apart from that I am well aware of the Jesus-as-pagan-myth connection and the similarities between different saviour figures in different religions. I was baffled by the reliance on astrological details with no debunking of the system but you can't have everything. I suppose a straightforward denial of God or some spiritual force wouldn't be as palatable as conspiracy theory.

Parts 2 and 3?
Yup. I am prepared to believe both of them.
How awful for you Americans. Living under a Government that murders its own citizens in order to control them completely. And under a banking system designed to put you all in eternal debt and leave you homeless. And under an illegal tax system which only serves to pay those shady behind the scenes bankers.

No freedom, under corrupt Government, who have illegally entered you into at least 4 wars now (I, II, Vietnam and the War on Terror). Korea was not mentioned, but I'm sure it was all down to banking cartels too. Shocking that none of you clicked. George Orwell knew all about it in 1948.

Yes - you are living under the modern equivilant of Nazi Germany. I hope for your sake the rest of the world doesn't realise and try to invade you to set you free.

Oh and I accept completely that you're about to merge with Canada and Mexico. It's one way to solve the illegal immigration problem. And then all four superstates will merge to form one world Government. Those Rockefellers et al must be desperate to take control of Africa, success story that it is.

Oh and by May 2008 you'll be required to carry a Real ID (federal identification) card which carries on it scannable identification. Oops, did I get that date wrong? Nope, just checked it again. May 2008. How come you never mentioned it? They're already implanting microchips in American citizens. And they can turn off the chips if you protest. Because that will really bother the disenfranchised underclass.

Move to Australia, quick! I am ashamed at you for living in such a country.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Basic comprehension is for the basic my friend....There are tons of other comprehensive skills....We all forget that..., that is a side arguement for the dull and dim-witted.

Do you happen to go by any other handle? Like MaggieL? If you say "strawman" I'll know for certain.

[Cicero]

lol! Why do you ask? Are you asking because Maggie L is awesome? I don't have a good feeling about this.
lol!
How many alter-egos am I today Bri? I'm not just like Cloud anymore or what?


Whatever. Believe conspiracies do not exist if you want. I haven't even seen this fucking film. Whatever.

[lookout123]

Cicero, if you look back at this thread you might notice you came out swinging pretty hard after SG made a comment that absolutely nothing to do with you. I haven't been following any threads for a few days so maybe your nose was tweaked elsewhere, but here??? Just a thought from a bystander.

[Cicero]

This just proves we never know who we are going to offend when we make a blanket statement about, "all people that do this or that.....are dumbass pitiful what-nots".

I was surprised at Sundae's comments. That's all. I possibly was too harsh, but still don't have a good answer for why Sundae would paint people with the same brush, as when this type of attitude happens to her, I am sure she does not like it either. No one does.

It's no surprise that I can be just as moody as everyone else. I have a particular knee-jerk reaction when people go with the "all people this or that" statements. It bothers me. It's dogmatic for all the wrong reasons, and I thought it was rather harsh for Sundae to go off on someone when they finally wanted to start a discussion topic in a civilized manner, and join the rest of the board. I think whip was being abnormally civil and was called a nut-job immediately.

I just don't think that was fair. Maybe he is a nut job. But as it pertains to this thread, I think he was being democratic for once and people chose to knock the piss out of him. And when he chose to discuss his views and did not rail back, he was called more names. Screw that. Now that pisses me off again. Now that I do have time to read back through the thread.

Maybe I was busy with my own motive and agenda: to be kind to someone I rarely see outside of one thread, and tried to be welcoming, as I noticed that person making an effort (whip) which I thought was a positive change in this persons character,only to usurped by all the reasons that person shouldn't be a part of the rest of this board.

Harsh? I think Sundae was super harsh, and maybe there is a background with whip she has, and maybe not. In either case, I don't think that was fair at all, and I was definitely irritated by that and am mildly so now.

Was I supposed to call him a crazy fucktard too? Sorry, I didn't get the memo.

Let's just go with a different thread title next time. Something more appropriate like "your chance to beat the whip".

To be fair: I apologize if I was too bitchy Sundae. I likes the Sundae... But you are also going to have to be responsible for your own actions. Just not sure why you would attack someone immediately that was trying to have a discussion in a civilized manner.

So that is all, and no I wasn't paying attention to this thread for awhile. Carry on! Attack whip all you want. I am over it.

[Sundae]

I watched part of the film before I commented.
I then felt I had been unreasonable in only watching ten minutes and spent over two hours I will never get back in order to form a more accurate opinion.

Whip was recommending (and defending by the time I saw the thread) a film I find to be ridiculous in content - laughably so. And no I wouldn't say I have "background" with him. I just don't trust his opinions in or out of his "own" thread because of what he has written.

If someone can't stand to have their opinions (especially their nutjob ones) questioned then I fail to see why I should baby them.