Green Taxes

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I never mentioned anything about party affiliation in this discussion.

Right...I forgot that you are a non-partisan man of the people (the little guys) and not one to blame Obama for every ill currently facing the country.

I would love to see Obama triple them! It would be great for his reputation for protecting the little guy who drives a truck for a living. Not.

The one proposal floating around is for a 10 cent increase....not tripling the tax.

And it has the support of the trucking industry...that recognizes that bottlenecks, congestion, accidents, etc. resulting from deteriorating roads costs truckers $billions/year.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Who cares whom raised them or how much.

I was taught that if you can answer the question (Who raised them?) with "Him", then you use "Whom", otherwise you use "Who". [/nazi]

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Right...I forgot that you are a non-partisan man of the people (the little guys) and not one to blame Obama for every ill currently facing the country.

Sorry, that dog will not hunt. Obama and non-partisan man of the little people cannot be used in the same sentance. Obama is neither.

The one proposal floating around is for a 10 cent increase....not tripling the tax.

And it has the support of the trucking industry...that recognizes that bottlenecks, congestion, accidents, etc. resulting from deteriorating roads costs truckers $billions/year.

I guess we can just ask our resident trucker on the Cellar what he thinks about that. To bad the stimulus that was suppose to fix those problems hasn't worked or your guys would not have to come up with another scheme to screw everyone with new taxes.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by jinx

I was taught that if you can answer the question (Who raised them?) with "Him", then you use "Whom", otherwise you use "Who". [/nazi]

point taken. :p

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Sorry, that dog will not hunt. Obama and non-partisan man of the little people cannot be used in the same sentance. Obama is neither.

I guess we can just ask our resident trucker on the Cellar what he thinks about that. To bad the stimulus that was suppose to fix those problems hasn't worked or your guys would not have to come up with another scheme to screw everyone with new taxes.

You're the man.... and anyone left of you is a socialist out to screw the people.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

You're the man.... and anyone left of you is a socialist out to screw the people.

Nope, I just don't buy your Demoncratic popaganda. But have at it enjoy spewing the Party line.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Nope, I just don't buy your Demoncratic popaganda. But have at it enjoy spewing the Party line.

In fact, it was the Republican-majority National Commission on Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing that recommended the 10 cent/ gal increase earlier this year (before Obama took office).

Because they, and every interested observer, recognized that motorists are driving less and buying less gas, which means the taxes that are dedicated to the Highway Trust Fund aren't raising enough money to keep pace with the cost of road/bridge repair and transit programs.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

In fact, it was the Republican-majority National Commission on Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing that recommended the 10 cent/ gal increase earlier this year (before Obama took office).

What? for two and a half weeks, not to include holidays?

Because they, and every interested observer, recognized that motorists are driving less and buying less gas, which means the taxes that are dedicated to the Highway Trust Fund aren't raising enough money to keep pace with the cost of road/bridge repair and transit programs.

And they are as big of dicks as you and your Party are. To bad most of the problems with our roads and bridges are not a Federal issue but a state issue. Which makes your idea sound even more stupid. Tax and spend, tax and spend... How about that stimulus and all those jobs you guys have created. What was the Obama quote?....

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And they are as big of dicks as you and your Party are. To bad most of the problems with our roads and bridges are not a Federal issue but a state issue. ...

Instead of calling people dicks, you might want to read up on the Highway Trust Fund supported by all presidents and both parties in Congress since its inception.

[TheMercenary]

MARCH 4, 2009

Raising the Federal Gas Tax Is a No-Go

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood rejected increasing the gasoline tax to fix a worsening shortfall in funding for highways and mass-transit systems, saying the government should instead turn to ideas such as private investment and new tolls to raise money.

Mr. LaHood, a former Republican congressman from Illinois, said that even with $48 billion for transportation projects included in the economic stimulus bill, states would be forced to slash spending and construction jobs this year unless new funds emerge. Less money is available for such projects because the main revenue sources -- taxes on gasoline and vehicle purchases -- are declining amid a cutback in driving, a shift to fuel-efficient cars and slumping auto sales.

Last year, Congress transferred $8 billion into the Highway Trust Fund -- the federal mechanism that channels fuel taxes into transportation projects -- to ease the crunch. Mr. LaHood said Congress will face the same dilemma this year and beyond until a permanent fix is found.

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Transportation Spending by StateMr. LaHood dismissed the idea of raising the 18.4-cent federal tax on a gallon of gasoline, which hasn't changed since 1993. Last week a congressionally chartered commission said Congress should consider raising the rate this year as it fashions a multiyear transportation bill that could cost $500 billion. The commission said the U.S. faces a $68 billion annual funding gap if nothing changes.

"If you talked to the people who served on this commission, they will tell you, rightly so, there is not enough money in the Highway Trust Fund to do what we want to do," Mr. LaHood said. "With the economy the way it is right now, trying to propose a 10-cent-a-gallon increase in the gasoline tax is not going to fly anywhere in America, including Washington, D.C."

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123611793346923071.html

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Instead of calling people dicks, you might want to read up on the Highway Trust Fund supported by all presidents and both parties in Congress since its inception.

Really?

Like this guy:

Bush rejects raising gas tax for now

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20196442/

Or how about this guy?

Obama Administration Proposes Substituting Federal Gas Tax with New Model Based On Miles Driven

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/9057

I know, you must have been talking about this guy!

US sec transport LaHood: 'No' gas tax hike, more tolls, private, ex-box think

http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4037

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

MARCH 4, 2009

Raising the Federal Gas Tax Is a No-Go

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123611793346923071.html

I agree it is not gonna happen...that doesnt mean it is not necessary as the Commission acknowledges.

And, the "Democrats are dicks" is just more of your endless partisan rhetoric.

Political advocacy rule number 3 -- When you resort to name-calling and attacking the messenger, rather than addressing the message (policy)....you're credibility is the only thing that suffers.

Political advocacy rule number 4 -- make the case for your position in you own words..and not by flooding the discussion with external links that no one will bother to read.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I agree it is not gonna happen...that doesnt mean it is not necessary as the Commission acknowledges.

Is that your excuse?

And, the "Democrats are dicks" is just more of your endless partisan rhetoric.

Not partisan. Just obvious.

You obviously don't follow your own rules about gibberish.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Political advocacy rule number 4 -- make the case for your position in you own words..and not by flooding the discussion with external links that no one will bother to read.

I lend credibility to the discussion by quoting those with credentials. You on the other hand really don't have any. None that I can see anyway. You are as faceless and nameless as the rest of us.

I know! that is why you quote the Demoncratic Party line! Why of course...