We have met the enemy and he is us! Poll - Page 2

xoxoxoBruce · 10-21-2010, 03:43 PM

Rather than refute or counterpoint someone's position, it's easier to discredit them by labeling them a ..........., be it liberal, progressive, racist, conservative, left wing, right wing, etc.

SamIam · 10-21-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormieweather

I think most people have short memories when it comes to politics. Everything that is right/wrong TODAY gets blamed on/credited to those in office TODAY.

It's a pretty thankless job to make changes now whose effects will only be felt years down the road.

If only there wasn't so much greed in the world.

The other problem is that many Americans are like children, demanding instant gratification. It is unrealistic to expect that government (or anyone else) can fix over night a problem that was 5 years or more in the making.

Shawnee123 · 10-21-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SamIam

The other problem is that many Americans are like children, demanding instant gratification. It is unrealistic to expect that government (or anyone else) can fix over night a problem that was 5 years or more in the making.

True: our entitlement mentality is certainly not limited just to those wanting handouts.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-23-2010, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SamIam

Yay, Classic! We actually voted for the same thing (OK, I didn't vote for the shiney thing).
[snip]
Wanna go get lots of guns and explosives and hide off the grid somewhere in the mountains while we plan our attack?

Disaster preparedness supplies in the main; guns, to taste, with reloading facilities and about a gazillion primers of every size you use, perhaps even down to the flintlock, flints/flint and a barrelful of old tire weights for melting down into bullets; explosives, in limited quantity and really more for blasting stumps.

And every Firefox book there is.

Darn, I only voted for one: I like the "Congress is corrupt but the Republic will survive them" option too.

When there is overmuch administration and too little of the productive, an organization is out of balance and it will fall. Government is not the productive wealth generator -- it is the administrative overhead. Too much overhead is bad for economic health of both corporations and nations.

Small government imposes but small burden upon wealth generation. This is to be desired, is it not?

[Too many statists have idiotically forgotten this. Do you wonder, now, why I speak as I do?]

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-23-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Rather than refute or counterpoint someone's position, it's easier to discredit them by labeling them a ..........., be it liberal, progressive, racist, conservative, left wing, right wing, etc.

When their manifest ideology demonstrates their unwisdom, is it wrong to affix the correct label?

There are some few here who would insist I am not among the wise, but these are people to whom wisdom is a stranger anyway, if what they write is a window into their thought.

Gravdigr · 10-24-2010, 04:48 AM

Congress!? I'll tell ya what's wrong with Cong---ooh, look, a butterfly!

spudcon · 10-24-2010, 02:45 PM

Who cares what the party, or if it's bipartisan. If they bankrupt us, they're evil bastards.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-31-2010, 01:11 AM

Speaking of evil bastards...

Sundae · 10-31-2010, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SamIam

I wonder if some of the enmity here is a reflection of the US political system as a whole - politicians call each other every name in the book, no real dialogue occurs between parties and factions.

As this is an international forum I can't honestly see how it can be a reflection of the US political system.

Pico and ME · 10-31-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Speaking of evil bastards...

I am going to be voting with my dollars. Or lack thereof in McDonald's case.

smoothmoniker · 10-31-2010, 07:11 PM

Rhetoric much?

It wasn't "McDonalds" telling workers what to do, it wasn't a "a multinational corporation like McDonalds threatening it's employees". Those are the grab lines that make for feel-good moral indignation.

It was one franchise owner doing something illegal, which the "evil multinational corporation" immediately disavowed.

Sundae · 11-01-2010, 01:38 PM

Yebbut...
McDonalds is known worldwide for its heavy-handedness.
I agree with what you've said, but I'd have read the article with far more initial scepticism had it been Ben & Jerry's (for example).

classicman · 11-01-2010, 04:01 PM

Thanks for the reality-check, smooth.

classicman · 11-17-2010, 02:52 PM

Excellent blog read...

6 Political Talking Points that Need to Die

View Poll Results: What do you think about the effectiveness of Congress
Congress has gone over to the dark side and reform is hopeless	7	24.14%
Congress was always corrupt, but the US will survive just like always	10	34.48%
Government can be fixed if enough voters demand a change.	12	41.38%
I see nothing wrong with the current status quo.	1	3.45%
Oh! Look over there. I see something shiney!	10	34.48%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

10-21-2010, 03:43 PM	#16
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Rather than refute or counterpoint someone's position, it's easier to discredit them by labeling them a ..........., be it liberal, progressive, racist, conservative, left wing, right wing, etc. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-24-2010, 04:48 AM	#21
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10-24-2010, 02:45 PM	#22
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	Who cares what the party, or if it's bipartisan. If they bankrupt us, they're evil bastards. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

10-31-2010, 01:11 AM	#23
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Speaking of evil bastards... Attached Images __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-31-2010, 07:11 PM	#26
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	Rhetoric much? It wasn't "McDonalds" telling workers what to do, it wasn't a "a multinational corporation like McDonalds threatening it's employees". Those are the grab lines that make for feel-good moral indignation. It was one franchise owner doing something illegal, which the "evil multinational corporation" immediately disavowed. __________________ to live and die in LA

11-01-2010, 01:38 PM	#27
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Yebbut... McDonalds is known worldwide for its heavy-handedness. I agree with what you've said, but I'd have read the article with far more initial scepticism had it been Ben & Jerry's (for example).

11-01-2010, 04:01 PM	#28
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Thanks for the reality-check, smooth. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-17-2010, 02:52 PM	#29
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Excellent blog read... 6 Political Talking Points that Need to Die __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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