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zippyt · 01-01-2011, 12:00 AM

Gravdigr · 01-02-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Wait a minute, this useless drag on society has been mooching off the state like forever. Then some underpaid, overworked employee makes one little boo boo, and now this parasite is entitled to get a shitload more money from the taxpayers, that he can't do anything with because he's not fit for public.
Where's the soylent green truck when ya need it.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Or living under a bridge.

If you ever find yourself in either situation, I hope someone helps you.

Because no one helped me.

Lamplighter · 01-13-2011, 05:47 PM

Yesterday I learned a man was just found guilty of a sexual offense against a young boy.
Sentencing will be in a couple of weeks, and he faces several years in prison.

He is well known and had a good reputation for his civic services
The particular event took place more than 10 years ago
His arrest and trial were widely publicized throughout the area
No other complaints have came forward from other children or adults

My surprise was the the jury verdict was 11 to 1.

Is not that one jury-person's "NO" vote a de facto statement that
the prosecution did not prove guilt conclusively, and there is still
reasonable doubt ?

Thinking beyond this man's case...
I did not know that when a person's liberty is at risk,
a guilty verdict could be brought even if the jury is not unanimous.
Is it a simple majority (7-5), a super-majority (8-4), or some other magic number ?

monster · 01-13-2011, 10:45 PM

Nope, that's not reasonable doubt in my mind. Unanimous is unrealistic. I doubt it's that hard to nobble one jury member, and I'm sure as hell certain that one wacko with a weird agenda could fake it through jury selection.

monster · 01-13-2011, 10:47 PM

I seem to think that -in the uk- the judge can instruct the jury as to what majority they require for each case...... I have no idea if that's the case here.

Happy Monkey · 01-21-2011, 06:32 PM

Criminal trials in the US require a unanimous verdict.

Lamplighter · 01-21-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Criminal trials in the US require a unanimous verdict.

That's my problem with this verdict... It's from a Court here in Oregon !

01-01-2011, 12:00 AM	#16
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01-13-2011, 05:47 PM	#18
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	guilty within reason doubt ? Yesterday I learned a man was just found guilty of a sexual offense against a young boy. Sentencing will be in a couple of weeks, and he faces several years in prison. He is well known and had a good reputation for his civic services The particular event took place more than 10 years ago His arrest and trial were widely publicized throughout the area No other complaints have came forward from other children or adults My surprise was the the jury verdict was 11 to 1. Is not that one jury-person's "NO" vote a de facto statement that the prosecution did not prove guilt conclusively, and there is still reasonable doubt ? Thinking beyond this man's case... I did not know that when a person's liberty is at risk, a guilty verdict could be brought even if the jury is not unanimous. Is it a simple majority (7-5), a super-majority (8-4), or some other magic number ?

01-13-2011, 10:45 PM	#19
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Nope, that's not reasonable doubt in my mind. Unanimous is unrealistic. I doubt it's that hard to nobble one jury member, and I'm sure as hell certain that one wacko with a weird agenda could fake it through jury selection. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

01-13-2011, 10:47 PM	#20
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	I seem to think that -in the uk- the judge can instruct the jury as to what majority they require for each case...... I have no idea if that's the case here. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

01-21-2011, 06:32 PM	#21
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Criminal trials in the US require a unanimous verdict. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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