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Clodfobble · 11-02-2011, 05:17 PM

"Doesn't actually contain" isn't the same as "secretly contains." Transglutinamase (aka the meat glue featured in the video) is involved in the autoimmune reaction to gluten, and this is why my kids have to eat organic, un-fucked-with meat. But in fairness to your point, they also can't eat white chocolate, red licorice, or coke either.

HungLikeJesus · 11-02-2011, 05:49 PM

I eat hotdogs, sausages, chicken tenders and McDonald's fish filet (with extra anti-foaming agent!), so I can't really object to meat glue.

Aliantha · 11-02-2011, 05:53 PM

I have to say, I don't watch that TV show because it's just a running joke as far as actually providing worthwhile journalism, so I'll have to do a bit more research into this. As mentioned previously, things like chicken nuggets and rolls of ham etc use stuff like this, and if you didn't figure that out before this article, you haven't been putting as much thought into what you're eating as you have been putting in your mouth, but it's news to me about the steaks.

I'll be interested to see what turns up.

Stay tuned.

Spexxvet · 11-02-2011, 06:04 PM

When I was in first grade, the girls next to me would eat white paste. She ate her boogies, too.

Aliantha · 11-02-2011, 06:10 PM

Here's an interesting article which refutes the TT claims one by one and well worth the read if you took the time to watch the original.

I'm still interested to find out about the producers of these types of steak and where the market is.

Aliantha · 11-02-2011, 06:22 PM

The main thing I find hard to swallow about the OP is that they don't name any particular producer of glued steaks and offer them a chance to refute or explain these claims. They've basically done a lab test with one butcher (and definitely far from the only butcher in Oz) that doesn't use the product. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing glued meat in a butcher shop, and I honestly believe I know enough about butchered meat to tell the difference after having watched and participated in enough farm yard butchering jobs to have a good idea about it all.

I don't believe the practice is as widespread as the OP would have us believe, but i do have a feeling that it might be a product used specifically for export beef.

Really, consumers need to educate themselves on what they're eating and what it should look, taste and feel like. The same thing happens with seafood. People don't know enough about what they're eating to realise they're eating nile perch dressed up as barramundi. Half the bloody chefs don't know the difference either.

Still, there's a bit more info for me to look at yet.

HungLikeJesus · 11-02-2011, 06:36 PM

That was an interesting and well-written article. Even the comments were good.

Aliantha · 11-02-2011, 06:36 PM

Here's another article from the US. It has an interesting convo about the American Revolution and it's links to beef consumption at the bottom too. lol

Aliantha · 11-02-2011, 06:47 PM

So, after just one hour of informing myself about this particular product, I am once again irritated with the irresponsible journalism of TT and the issues it causes between people who choose to be informed, and those who choose to swallow whatever bullshit appears on TV (or the internet).

It's not that the product is that great or something I'd choose to eat, but as has been mentioned, it's used to lots of other things besides meat bits being stuck together as a deception, and of course, that might be a problem if you don't know to ask about it or don't know what your meat should look like on the plate, but if you ask and they tell you, then where's the issue.

When was the last time you ate a chicken nugget or some pressed ham or even spam! I guess you get what you pay for (in general) and if you get ripped off and you know it, then make a fuss.

classicman · 11-02-2011, 08:07 PM

My guess is that the market is the restaurants.

Aliantha · 11-02-2011, 08:12 PM

I'm sure you're right classic, but I can't think of a restaurant I'd go to that would sell crap like that. I really don't think I've ever had a rib fillet that wasn't a rib fillet.

classicman · 11-02-2011, 08:13 PM

Great counterpoint.

Quote:

Transglutaminase (TG) –aka meat glue, the stuff that allows you to bond proteins together –has been taking a pounding in the blogosphere recently and, as a proponent of the enzyme, so have I.

The other guy is blatantly against it.

classicman · 11-02-2011, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

I really don't think I've ever had a rib fillet that wasn't a rib fillet.

How would you know. I think that is the point.

Aliantha · 11-02-2011, 08:31 PM

I think I'd know because i know what one is supposed to look like. What the formation of the meat is. Where the fatty bits should be and the cartilage etc.

ZenGum · 11-03-2011, 01:51 AM

I was going to watch that video later, until Ali pointed out it is from Today Tonight.

What they do to facts if far, far worse that what they claim is done to meat!

Thanks for the research Ali, you've saved me the time and annoyance.

11-02-2011, 05:17 PM	#16
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	"Doesn't actually contain" isn't the same as "secretly contains." Transglutinamase (aka the meat glue featured in the video) is involved in the autoimmune reaction to gluten, and this is why my kids have to eat organic, un-fucked-with meat. But in fairness to your point, they also can't eat white chocolate, red licorice, or coke either. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

11-02-2011, 05:49 PM	#17
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	I eat hotdogs, sausages, chicken tenders and McDonald's fish filet (with extra anti-foaming agent!), so I can't really object to meat glue. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

11-02-2011, 05:53 PM	#18
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I have to say, I don't watch that TV show because it's just a running joke as far as actually providing worthwhile journalism, so I'll have to do a bit more research into this. As mentioned previously, things like chicken nuggets and rolls of ham etc use stuff like this, and if you didn't figure that out before this article, you haven't been putting as much thought into what you're eating as you have been putting in your mouth, but it's news to me about the steaks. I'll be interested to see what turns up. Stay tuned. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-02-2011, 06:04 PM	#19
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	When I was in first grade, the girls next to me would eat white paste. She ate her boogies, too. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

11-02-2011, 06:10 PM	#20
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Here's an interesting article which refutes the TT claims one by one and well worth the read if you took the time to watch the original. I'm still interested to find out about the producers of these types of steak and where the market is. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-02-2011, 06:22 PM	#21
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	The main thing I find hard to swallow about the OP is that they don't name any particular producer of glued steaks and offer them a chance to refute or explain these claims. They've basically done a lab test with one butcher (and definitely far from the only butcher in Oz) that doesn't use the product. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing glued meat in a butcher shop, and I honestly believe I know enough about butchered meat to tell the difference after having watched and participated in enough farm yard butchering jobs to have a good idea about it all. I don't believe the practice is as widespread as the OP would have us believe, but i do have a feeling that it might be a product used specifically for export beef. Really, consumers need to educate themselves on what they're eating and what it should look, taste and feel like. The same thing happens with seafood. People don't know enough about what they're eating to realise they're eating nile perch dressed up as barramundi. Half the bloody chefs don't know the difference either. Still, there's a bit more info for me to look at yet. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-02-2011, 06:36 PM	#22
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	That was an interesting and well-written article. Even the comments were good. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

11-02-2011, 06:47 PM	#24
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	So, after just one hour of informing myself about this particular product, I am once again irritated with the irresponsible journalism of TT and the issues it causes between people who choose to be informed, and those who choose to swallow whatever bullshit appears on TV (or the internet). It's not that the product is that great or something I'd choose to eat, but as has been mentioned, it's used to lots of other things besides meat bits being stuck together as a deception, and of course, that might be a problem if you don't know to ask about it or don't know what your meat should look like on the plate, but if you ask and they tell you, then where's the issue. When was the last time you ate a chicken nugget or some pressed ham or even spam! I guess you get what you pay for (in general) and if you get ripped off and you know it, then make a fuss. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-02-2011, 08:07 PM	#25
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	My guess is that the market is the restaurants. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-02-2011, 08:12 PM	#26
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I'm sure you're right classic, but I can't think of a restaurant I'd go to that would sell crap like that. I really don't think I've ever had a rib fillet that wasn't a rib fillet. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-02-2011, 08:31 PM	#29
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I think I'd know because i know what one is supposed to look like. What the formation of the meat is. Where the fatty bits should be and the cartilage etc. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-03-2011, 01:51 AM	#30
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I was going to watch that video later, until Ali pointed out it is from Today Tonight. What they do to facts if far, far worse that what they claim is done to meat! Thanks for the research Ali, you've saved me the time and annoyance. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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