"She", not "he", guys

[Undertoad]

you wanna start a thread about how you hate tranny fucks thats fine; you don't get to start a thread attacking me PERSONALLY for it.

I personally am much more offended by the former. Anyone can hate anyone. Many do.

Ibs, your trannyism seems to have you on a red cunt hair trigger for many years. That is the most curious aspect of it so far. Probably something going on there. I would talk to someone about it.

The endless victimization is very unattractive, and generally poor behavior, no matter what you have been told. There is no karma police in real life. Because names, it turns out, will never hurt you -- unless you permit them.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

... Because names, it turns out, will never hurt you -- unless you permit them.

Where can I get one of those permits to call people names that hurt?

[henry quirk]

"My gender is not open for "philosophical" discussion, and i'm reporting this post."

I say it is, guy, and, report away!

[henry quirk]

"...you don't get to start a thread attacking me PERSONALLY for it."

Demonstrably: I have begun a thread, so, you're wrong.

[henry quirk]

Eye of the beholder, guy.

[henry quirk]

"What if I called you "stupid"?"

You wouldn't be the first.

Have at it!

My skin is thick and I'm not sensitive.

[henry quirk]

"But it isn't really that simple."

Yes it is.

Culture doesn't alter reality. The transgender man (pre-op or after) is still 'male'.

Till nanotech advances to the point where tiny lil robots can zip into each cell and jigger 'round with DNA, no amount of cultural defining, surgery, or hormone shots alters the fact that male is male and female is female.

It is what it is...he is what he is.

*shrug*

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"why not accept someone else's self-definition?"

Speaking only for me: 'cause reality trumps my (or his) definitions.

If he wants to self-identify as 'girl' -- again -- that's fine...no profit for or cost to me if he self-defines as 'girl'.

But the cost to me is high if 'I' pretend he's a 'she', 'cause he's not.

[henry quirk]

As you like...and: who are you again that I should care?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Culture doesn't alter reality.

Language is culture, not reality. You don't interact with Ibram on a genetic level; you interact with her on an abstract personality level. A level on which the only reason not to use her preferred pronoun, and especially the only reason to do so in such an outspoken way, is to annoy her.

This thread is nothing but "I'm gonna be a jerk to Ibram. Anyone wanna join in?"

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"why not accept someone else's self-definition?"

Speaking only for me: 'cause reality trumps my (or his) definitions.

If he wants to self-identify as 'girl' -- again -- that's fine...no profit for or cost to me if he self-defines as 'girl'.

But the cost to me is high if 'I' pretend he's a 'she', 'cause he's not.

Why does physical appearance trump psychological belief? We have enough evidence now to know that there is a different brain chemistry between men and women, and also between any kind of person in between.

Surely what's on the inside is equally important as what's on the outside.

As to the rest of this shit fight, I've started a number of threads in the past after being prompted to thought by something another poster believes or thinks about. Personally, I've never considered it to be attacking the other person, but an exploration of an idea that I don't feel very informed about usually.

[John Sellers]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

But the cost to me is high if 'I' pretend he's a 'she', 'cause he's not.

I musta missed this one B4, but since it 's been brought to my attention (thanks Ali. ), tell me Mr. Hanky, what exactly is the cost to you? Cuz I see no logical way this can affect your state of being.

Originally Posted by henry quirk

As you like...and: who are you again that I should care?

Never said you should.

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by John R. Sellers

I musta missed this one B4, but since it 's been brought to my attention (thanks Ali. ), tell me Mr. Hanky, what exactly is the cost to you? Cuz I see no logical way this can affect your state of being.



Never said you should.

Yabbut you're a sick twisted fuck, right? Who are you again? Oh yeah, our newest pillar.

Too soon?

[henry quirk]

If Ibram pretends to be a woman, there is no cost to me.

If I -- knowing Ibram is male -- pretend he's a 'she' then I lie (to myself) and in the lie, I diminish myself, to myself.

That Ibram lies to himself is irrelevant to me: that I lie to myself to make Ibram feel good is a high price I won't pay.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

If Ibram pretends to be a woman, there is no cost to me.

If I -- knowing Ibram is male -- pretend he's a 'she' then I lie (to myself) and in the lie, I diminish myself, to myself.

That Ibram lies to himself is irrelevant to me: that I lie to myself to make Ibram feel good is a high price I won't pay.

lol Bullshit.

[classicman]

I'd chime in, but things seem to be flowing pretty good here.