An interview with a Suicide Bomber - Page 2

DanaC · 07-17-2004, 07:46 AM

I think the Israelis should stop blaming the Palestinians for their problems and using that as an excuse to act in an illegal and immoral fashion.

Undertoad · 07-17-2004, 07:47 AM

Most bombers come from the Al Aqsa martyr's brigade which is a part of Arafat's Fatah. If Arafat announced tomorrow that all suicide bombing would end, he'd say it in English and the next hour say the complete opposite in his native tongue, as he often has. The truth is, every morning he wakes up and arranges his headgear in the shape of all of the land he believes he has the right to, as a message to his people. Arafat is a billionaire who has made his money by scuttling the promise of his people, in order to wage a proxy war.

DanaC · 07-17-2004, 07:48 AM

Arafat is a hero to some, a villain to others. A one time very brave warrior and tireless worker for the interests of his people. He's also a very old and ill man. His power is.......nominal

jaguar · 07-17-2004, 07:49 AM

Arafat is a tired old man. If arafat dropped dead tomorrow the world would undoubtedly be a better place but I fail see what that has to do with it. Al Aqsa is as much a coherent organization as Al Queda, held together by ideology and consisting of hundreds of independent cells that have little or no cross-contact to reduce the danger of a whole number being blown by mossad.

Or somehow, in your twilight zone, his existence justify the worst systematic persecution the world over by a developed state.

You refuse to answer my question. How would that treatment make you feel? Or is the answer not something you'd like to admit? Would it make you angry maybe? Maybe you'd want revenge? Hmmm, i wonder now.

DanaC · 07-17-2004, 07:53 AM

One wonders just how far Israel can go before those who sympathis e begin to see their criminality. Perhaps if they began slaughtering Palestinians in their thousands .......Though I doubt it. I am beginning to think that even if Israel waged genocide against the Palestinians ( as opposed merely to the ethnic cleansing which they have thus far engaged in ) those in America who support them would continue to believe that the Palestinians brought it upon themselves. Maybe Israel is the only nation which is allowed to commit crimes against humanity with impunity

Undertoad · 07-17-2004, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jaguar

jesus you don't get it do you? How do you organize a truce where there is no authority and hundreds of splintered groups?

This "no authority" is a new claim. If Arafat didn't have the authority to accept the offer made via Clinton in 1999, then he didn't have the authority to announce the intifada and the intifada never began, right?

DanaC · 07-17-2004, 07:57 AM

I rather think the Intefada began regardless of whether Arafat announced it or not.

DanaC · 07-17-2004, 08:00 AM

"This "no authority" is a new claim"

Well.....Its' a dynamic situation. The more the Israelis destroy of the Palestinians infrastucture; the more they cause grief, anger and despair amongst the militants; the further they undermine Arafat's authority within Palestine .......the less authority any one person or group is able to claim over Palestine

Undertoad · 07-17-2004, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jaguar

You refuse to answer my question. How would that treatment make you feel? Or is the answer not something you'd like to admit? Would it make you angry maybe? Maybe you'd want revenge? Hmmm, i wonder now.

Even if you had a point which was not seeped in blame of others, hundreds upon hundreds of cultures have faced similar situations and NOT turned to the killing of innocents as an approach.

Here is your answer then.

Nothing that could possibly be done to me could excuse my killing an innocent victim. I would not do it.

And you would. We establish this every year.

DanaC · 07-17-2004, 08:04 AM

"Even if you had a point which was not seeped in blame of others, hundreds upon hundreds of cultures have faced similar situations and NOT turned to the killing of innocents as an approach."

Give an example

Undertoad · 07-17-2004, 08:04 AM

Five year old Gal Aizenman, blown up with her grandmother for riding a bus. I would not kill her and nothing that could possibly be done to me could excuse me killing her. I would not do it.

DanaC · 07-17-2004, 08:07 AM

Give an example of other cultures facing similar situations to that of the Palestinians and refraining from shedding innocent blood

DanaC · 07-17-2004, 08:11 AM

"I would not kill her and nothing that could possibly be done to me could excuse me killing her. I would not do it."

In that case how are the killings of Palestinian civilians an excusable and understandable response to Palestinian bombs?

Undertoad · 07-17-2004, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Give an example of other cultures facing similar situations to that of the Palestinians and refraining from shedding innocent blood

The Jews, during the holocaust.

Undertoad · 07-17-2004, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

"I would not kill her and nothing that could possibly be done to me could excuse me killing her. I would not do it."

In that case how are the killings of Palestinian civilians an excusable and understandable response to Palestinian bombs?

They are not, which is why Palestinian civilians are not specifically targeted.

07-17-2004, 07:49 AM	#19
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Arafat is a tired old man. If arafat dropped dead tomorrow the world would undoubtedly be a better place but I fail see what that has to do with it. Al Aqsa is as much a coherent organization as Al Queda, held together by ideology and consisting of hundreds of independent cells that have little or no cross-contact to reduce the danger of a whole number being blown by mossad. Or somehow, in your twilight zone, his existence justify the worst systematic persecution the world over by a developed state. You refuse to answer my question. How would that treatment make you feel? Or is the answer not something you'd like to admit? Would it make you angry maybe? Maybe you'd want revenge? Hmmm, i wonder now. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain Last edited by jaguar; 07-17-2004 at 07:53 AM.

07-17-2004, 07:46 AM	#16
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I think the Israelis should stop blaming the Palestinians for their problems and using that as an excuse to act in an illegal and immoral fashion.

07-17-2004, 07:47 AM	#17
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Most bombers come from the Al Aqsa martyr's brigade which is a part of Arafat's Fatah. If Arafat announced tomorrow that all suicide bombing would end, he'd say it in English and the next hour say the complete opposite in his native tongue, as he often has. The truth is, every morning he wakes up and arranges his headgear in the shape of all of the land he believes he has the right to, as a message to his people. Arafat is a billionaire who has made his money by scuttling the promise of his people, in order to wage a proxy war.

07-17-2004, 07:48 AM	#18
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Arafat is a hero to some, a villain to others. A one time very brave warrior and tireless worker for the interests of his people. He's also a very old and ill man. His power is.......nominal

07-17-2004, 07:53 AM	#20
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	One wonders just how far Israel can go before those who sympathis e begin to see their criminality. Perhaps if they began slaughtering Palestinians in their thousands .......Though I doubt it. I am beginning to think that even if Israel waged genocide against the Palestinians ( as opposed merely to the ethnic cleansing which they have thus far engaged in ) those in America who support them would continue to believe that the Palestinians brought it upon themselves. Maybe Israel is the only nation which is allowed to commit crimes against humanity with impunity

07-17-2004, 07:57 AM	#22
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I rather think the Intefada began regardless of whether Arafat announced it or not.

07-17-2004, 08:00 AM	#23
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	"This "no authority" is a new claim" Well.....Its' a dynamic situation. The more the Israelis destroy of the Palestinians infrastucture; the more they cause grief, anger and despair amongst the militants; the further they undermine Arafat's authority within Palestine .......the less authority any one person or group is able to claim over Palestine

07-17-2004, 08:04 AM	#25
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	"Even if you had a point which was not seeped in blame of others, hundreds upon hundreds of cultures have faced similar situations and NOT turned to the killing of innocents as an approach." Give an example

07-17-2004, 08:07 AM	#27
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Give an example of other cultures facing similar situations to that of the Palestinians and refraining from shedding innocent blood

07-17-2004, 08:11 AM	#28
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	"I would not kill her and nothing that could possibly be done to me could excuse me killing her. I would not do it." In that case how are the killings of Palestinian civilians an excusable and understandable response to Palestinian bombs?

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