Hot takes on the Democratic frontrunners

[glatt]

You guys aren't getting all the Bloomberg ads? Maybe it's because I'm in Virginia. It's remarkable how many. And he's not even officially a candidate yet.

[Clodfobble]

Whatever he's doing, it's not in Texas. But we almost never get political ads of any kind here, and I'm not on Facebook.

[Griff]

I'm not sure Bloomberg gets how fed up America is with rich guys from NYC.

[Griff]

He hit the football games over the weekend, but I'm not sure tv is a great place to reach folks anymore. He'll reach the older boomers there I guess.

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by Griff

Right now the momentum seems to be with Bernie. He could lose if he completely alienates the middle and young people don't turnout. I think he'd win unless voter suppression is super effective.

You mean he'll win if enough dead people can be persuaded to vote, yeah?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Griff

I'm not sure Bloomberg gets how fed up America is with rich guys from NYC.

Why are rich guys from WA (Bill Gates) admired? America should be tired of rich guys who even encourage KKK, White Supremacists and Nazis. Who inspire hate and derision. Its not rich guys.

Who does Fox News interview after the murder of Soleimani? The many guys who lied about Saddam's WMDs and who openly endorsed torture.

Unfortunately American has a large militaristic mentality inspired by bigger guns, hate of anyone who is productive, innovative, or different, and a need to 'wreck shit'. Fox News (the real fake news) openly promotes this hatred and derision. Only some rich guys get support by endorsing and encouraging extremists. Using same techniques pioneered by Hitler. No reason to paint all with the same brush.

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by tw

'wreck shit'.

[BigV]

I love this thread Clodfobble.

I have been loathe to engage it however. I just finished watching the debate among the Democratic contenders... I'm exhausted.

Please. God.

Never Trump.


I'll vote for Log before I do anything to perpetuate/facilitate/enable/capitulate to another minute the reign of Trump.

Originally Posted by Bloomberg

God Help Us.

[sexobon]

^Even in a thread about Democrats, Trump steals the show.^

It's not just what he does, it's who he is and how he got to be where he is now. Thanks for the perpetuation/facilitation/enabling/capitulation.

[Griff]

I'm already done with this election cycle. Pete really wanted to watch last night but finally admitted defeat a few minutes in and watched Nova. At their best politicians can inspire like Kennedy or Reagan. Uplifting is not in the playbook this cycle when we need it the most.

[Undertoad]

Even in a thread about Democrats, Trump steals the show.

It's a Chinese finger trap where everyone is stuck and they are all pulling as hard as they possibly can.

Pulling has worked every time before, so.

[sexobon]

With this group of Dems, their playbook is like a war without a defined goal (other than to displace some individual in power). People are sick of that. They don't want engagements that serve only the political realm. They want a goal that serves the people. Trump said MAGA and gave Americans a goal for everyone. The end trumps the means.

There are certainly better ways of going about it. Dems just aren't astute enough to take advantage of that unifying message by taking it to the next level - MADA (Make America Dignified Again). It's obvious from the current crop of contenders and infighting in the Democratic party that they don't have what it takes to do that anymore than Trump.

Democrats don't have a unifying vision. All they have is political correctness. That drives apathy. The Republican party isn't much better. Trump's eclectic style; however, keeps people engaged. The Dems are failing to put forth a candidate who can commandeer that; so, they're falling by the wayside.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

The end trumps the means.

[sexobon]

I put that in there just for you.

[Undertoad]

David Frum tweeted

"Most Americans are satisfied with most things in the country except the character of the president.

This is not a time for socialist revolution . It's a time for ethical renewal."

Precisely; but as you say, the left's current idea of ethical renewal is stuck in identity, which is what got T elected the first time, so whaddya gonna do? Both sides need a sea change to get out of the trap.