My Kid is a Damn Nutter - Page 25

Flint · 07-20-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Now I've just got to figure out what to do with a 3/4ths full economy-size jar of calcium gummy bears.

You could give 'em to a visiting family of dwellars? Don't let the kid see, though, since she's already asking for her "bear" back.

Clodfobble · 07-20-2009, 04:32 PM

I didn't even think about that. She's not regaining her speech, she's just jonesin'.

You can have my whole stash of gummy bears and a lot of other random half-used vitamins when you come to Austin.

Undertoad · 07-20-2009, 04:53 PM

Correlation does not imply causation

Clodfobble · 07-20-2009, 05:15 PM

You're right, it doesn't. But even the most rigorous of scientific testing can only prove very strong correlation, never causation. I could give her the gummies back in a few weeks and see if she regresses, but I'd only be doing it to prove a point to you and risking my kid's brain isn't worth that.

I know you think I've gone off the deep end, but I'm not demonizing the items themselves--if I believed these things affected all children across the board, I wouldn't be offering them to Flint's kids, now would I? Incidentally, Minifob's allergy blood tests will be back in soon. I'll let you know if they confirm my personal finding that he has a correlated behavioral reaction to coconut, peaches, oranges, cashews, peanuts, egg, and tomatoes. (And just for the record, I'm predicting Minifobette's blood tests, when she gets them in a few months, will show a reaction to pears, peaches, oranges, cherries, mango, kiwi, and pineapple.) We'll verify my observational testing methods together.

Ibby · 07-20-2009, 07:03 PM

You know, I've always had mild ADHD symptoms, and my mom is convinced i've got super-mild aspergers (i've got an uncle who is majorly aspergers among other things), and i've always been a majorly picky eater... i oughtta do some research into all this diet-affecting-brain some myself.

Clodfobble · 07-20-2009, 07:16 PM

Ibram, you should read Children With Starving Brains.

Clodfobble · 07-20-2009, 07:27 PM

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(And just for the record, I'm predicting Minifobette's blood tests, when she gets them in a few months, will show a reaction to pears, peaches, oranges, cherries, mango, kiwi, and pineapple.)

Forgot one after the edit time window: annatto.

jinx · 07-20-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Correlation does not imply causation

So, do you think she's doing something wrong based on incorrect assumptions? What would you be doing Tony? Based on what information?

Clodfobble · 07-20-2009, 07:31 PM

In fairness, it's entirely possible it's a different ingredient in the gummy bears that she has a problem with. But I have absolutely no doubt at this point that the gummies were no good for her.

Flint · 07-20-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Correlation does not imply causation

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Originally Posted by jinx

So, do you think she's doing something wrong based on incorrect assumptions? What would you be doing Tony? Based on what information?

Haven't you heard? The best thing to do is take no actions, at all, ever. Especially when based on careful, rigorous observation.

monster · 07-20-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Now I've just got to figure out what to do with a 3/4ths full economy-size jar of calcium gummy bears.

I bet they'd be great for bath tub art. Dump them in the water, let them warm up and dissolve just a little, then press on the the tub sides and backsplash in interesting patterns.

Undertoad · 07-20-2009, 11:30 PM

I'm saying she doesn't know whether the gummi bears had an effect. She may have no other alternative than to discontinue things after which an effect is shown. But she has done what I thought appropriate; she fairly backed off of

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Even when you know it's real, it's so hard to believe it sometimes.

"Correlation doesn't prove causation" means you don't know it's real and you mustn't believe it.

Flint · 07-20-2009, 11:37 PM

I guess sometimes it comes down to whether you've got "something to prove" or you're just trying to live your life and do good things.

DanaC · 07-21-2009, 06:12 AM

I noticed a correlation between the times I ran out of tinned tripe and so fed Pilau just on dry kibble, and the times he did and didn't have the shits.

I generally don't feed him with tinned tripe now. He's much better. Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation, but nor does it necessarily discount the same.

Clodfobble · 07-21-2009, 10:07 AM

My daughter said two more new words this morning, UT. One of which was to tell me that she had "pooped," which is even more developmentally significant than just naming nouns. Remember that before I took her off the gummies, she had not spoken a single word in three months.

This means that on a standardized developmental speech scale, she has gone from a 9-month-old to a 15-month-old in the last two days. What do you think, can I safely say the gummies were having an effect now?

07-20-2009, 04:32 PM	#362
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	I didn't even think about that. She's not regaining her speech, she's just jonesin'. You can have my whole stash of gummy bears and a lot of other random half-used vitamins when you come to Austin. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

07-20-2009, 05:15 PM	#364
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	You're right, it doesn't. But even the most rigorous of scientific testing can only prove very strong correlation, never causation. I could give her the gummies back in a few weeks and see if she regresses, but I'd only be doing it to prove a point to you and risking my kid's brain isn't worth that. I know you think I've gone off the deep end, but I'm not demonizing the items themselves--if I believed these things affected all children across the board, I wouldn't be offering them to Flint's kids, now would I? Incidentally, Minifob's allergy blood tests will be back in soon. I'll let you know if they confirm my personal finding that he has a correlated behavioral reaction to coconut, peaches, oranges, cashews, peanuts, egg, and tomatoes. (And just for the record, I'm predicting Minifobette's blood tests, when she gets them in a few months, will show a reaction to pears, peaches, oranges, cherries, mango, kiwi, and pineapple.) We'll verify my observational testing methods together. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

07-20-2009, 07:03 PM	#365
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	You know, I've always had mild ADHD symptoms, and my mom is convinced i've got super-mild aspergers (i've got an uncle who is majorly aspergers among other things), and i've always been a majorly picky eater... i oughtta do some research into all this diet-affecting-brain some myself. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

07-20-2009, 07:16 PM	#366
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Ibram, you should read Children With Starving Brains. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

07-20-2009, 07:31 PM	#369
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	In fairness, it's entirely possible it's a different ingredient in the gummy bears that she has a problem with. But I have absolutely no doubt at this point that the gummies were no good for her. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

07-20-2009, 04:53 PM	#363
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Correlation does not imply causation

07-20-2009, 11:37 PM	#373
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I guess sometimes it comes down to whether you've got "something to prove" or you're just trying to live your life and do good things. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

07-21-2009, 10:07 AM	#375
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	My daughter said two more new words this morning, UT. One of which was to tell me that she had "pooped," which is even more developmentally significant than just naming nouns. Remember that before I took her off the gummies, she had not spoken a single word in three months. This means that on a standardized developmental speech scale, she has gone from a 9-month-old to a 15-month-old in the last two days. What do you think, can I safely say the gummies were having an effect now? __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

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