My Kid is a Damn Nutter - Page 27

Flint · 07-21-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

I am saddened by these replies, but I'll take them at face value as my problem, and will no longer post in the thread.

Please don't go away, Undertoad. I never got a chance to kick you in your stupid balls.

Undertoad · 07-21-2009, 02:08 PM

You can kick me in a different thread.

Flint · 07-21-2009, 02:10 PM

I liked your cookie. mmmmmm

dar512 · 07-21-2009, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

You can kick me in a different thread.

I dunno, Toad. Getting kicked in the thread really hurts.

Griff · 07-21-2009, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

You can kick me in a different thread.

Clod knows you support her. Don't disconnect on this.

Queen of the Ryche · 07-21-2009, 03:09 PM

Sorry Toad, didn't mean to make you sad. I totally agree with your point, I just feel like you're trying so hard to prove your point in a thread that I don't think is about proving a point - I think it's more about hearing how Clod's trial and error is going, and what she has learned from her experiences, and how it is making her life a teensy bit easier to cope with each day, not whether it's a valid proven scientific point.

Please don't leave.

Clodfobble · 07-21-2009, 04:41 PM

It's cool UT, I get what you're saying and I'm not offended. We should bump the Vaccination & Epidemic thread to keep the science debate and personal support separate.

(And then I can tell you in that thread exactly what happened on the day when my daughter was 12 months old and stopped speaking. Hint: I was in the pediatrician's office, and I consider it the biggest fuckup of my life, because while I hadn't had time to do all the research I've done by now, I had done enough that I should have known better.

On second thought, I actually should stay out of that thread, because I'll admit right now that nothing anyone can say from this point on will ever convince me I'm wrong about vaccines, because I watched it fucking happen right in front of me. I am the very definition of a closed mind on the subject.)

jinx · 07-21-2009, 05:54 PM

I'm sorry too T, I didn't mean to make you sad either. This whole subject tends to make me extra bitchy I guess... pisses me right off actually. Nothing personal.

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I consider it the biggest fuckup of my life

:hugs Clod:
You're doing the best you can do, and a damn good job of it. Don't carry that guilt around.

Clodfobble · 07-21-2009, 07:47 PM

Well, too late for that.

But I figure I can redeem myself by making them better, and spreading the word to help other kids while I'm at it.

Skunks · 07-21-2009, 10:53 PM

Hah, little late on this one. Sorry:

Gummis were just one data point. But wasn't it one data point in a series of others? The other foods/consumables that, when discontinued, marked an improvement, or vice versa. Stopping them wasn't just a dramatic shift; it was a dramatic shift which mimicked the other dramatic, food-related behavior shifts.

I guess the point is that IMO one's children should not be by default a clinical trial; every meal is a trial enough, from the sounds of it. Prior to the full-on hard-proof scientific method is a period of observation and field work, after which a hypothesis can be formed and specific studies can be done.

On the other hand, part of the understanding Clod is working on seems to be that the triggers are very distinct from person to person, even two siblings from the same parents. By nature sample sizes will, at this stage, be small, and the changes overlapping.

Griff · 07-22-2009, 12:54 PM

Goat Milk?
Most experts claim that the best kefir is made from raw goat’s milk, but cow’s milk also works, even if it has been pasteurized. If fact, people have made kefir from soy milk, coconut milk, and even fruit juices. But kefir grains differ in the combinations and proportions of bacteria and yeasts they contain, so not every grain is compatible with every food.

It sounds like the starter for kefir is pretty vigorous and should be free of nasty grains etc. I'm going to put Pete on this when we get milking again next summer.

Flint · 07-22-2009, 01:55 PM

You can get kefir at Whole Foods.

glatt · 07-22-2009, 01:59 PM

Reminds me, I was just reading about some woman who is working hard to get camel milk introduced to the USA. Apparently there would be decent market for it in the immigrant communities. And it's supposed to be extremely healthy so it might catch on elsewhere. She just has to go through a bunch of government red tape first.

Griff · 07-22-2009, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

You can get kefir at Whole Foods.

We get it at Wegman's, unless you mean the starter?

Flint · 07-22-2009, 02:19 PM

I mean, kefir that is packaged and flavored specifically for kids.

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07-21-2009, 03:09 PM	#396
Queen of the Ryche is fleeing the scene Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Beautiful CO Posts: 1,510	Sorry Toad, didn't mean to make you sad. I totally agree with your point, I just feel like you're trying so hard to prove your point in a thread that I don't think is about proving a point - I think it's more about hearing how Clod's trial and error is going, and what she has learned from her experiences, and how it is making her life a teensy bit easier to cope with each day, not whether it's a valid proven scientific point. Please don't leave. __________________ Once, in an interview, Chuck Norris admitted that he was not the most awesome thing ever. He declined to elaborate; but I believe we all know that he was referring to the existence of chocolate covered bacon. I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

07-21-2009, 04:41 PM	#397
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	It's cool UT, I get what you're saying and I'm not offended. We should bump the Vaccination & Epidemic thread to keep the science debate and personal support separate. (And then I can tell you in that thread exactly what happened on the day when my daughter was 12 months old and stopped speaking. Hint: I was in the pediatrician's office, and I consider it the biggest fuckup of my life, because while I hadn't had time to do all the research I've done by now, I had done enough that I should have known better. On second thought, I actually should stay out of that thread, because I'll admit right now that nothing anyone can say from this point on will ever convince me I'm wrong about vaccines, because I watched it fucking happen right in front of me. I am the very definition of a closed mind on the subject.) __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

07-21-2009, 07:47 PM	#399
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Well, too late for that. But I figure I can redeem myself by making them better, and spreading the word to help other kids while I'm at it. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

07-22-2009, 12:54 PM	#401
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	How about Kefir? Goat Milk? Most experts claim that the best kefir is made from raw goat’s milk, but cow’s milk also works, even if it has been pasteurized. If fact, people have made kefir from soy milk, coconut milk, and even fruit juices. But kefir grains differ in the combinations and proportions of bacteria and yeasts they contain, so not every grain is compatible with every food. It sounds like the starter for kefir is pretty vigorous and should be free of nasty grains etc. I'm going to put Pete on this when we get milking again next summer. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-21-2009, 02:08 PM	#392
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	You can kick me in a different thread.

07-21-2009, 10:53 PM	#400
Skunks I thought I changed this. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: western nowhere, ny Posts: 412	Hah, little late on this one. Sorry: Gummis were just one data point. But wasn't it one data point in a series of others? The other foods/consumables that, when discontinued, marked an improvement, or vice versa. Stopping them wasn't just a dramatic shift; it was a dramatic shift which mimicked the other dramatic, food-related behavior shifts. I guess the point is that IMO one's children should not be by default a clinical trial; every meal is a trial enough, from the sounds of it. Prior to the full-on hard-proof scientific method is a period of observation and field work, after which a hypothesis can be formed and specific studies can be done. On the other hand, part of the understanding Clod is working on seems to be that the triggers are very distinct from person to person, even two siblings from the same parents. By nature sample sizes will, at this stage, be small, and the changes overlapping.

07-22-2009, 01:55 PM	#402
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	You can get kefir at Whole Foods. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

07-22-2009, 01:59 PM	#403
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Reminds me, I was just reading about some woman who is working hard to get camel milk introduced to the USA. Apparently there would be decent market for it in the immigrant communities. And it's supposed to be extremely healthy so it might catch on elsewhere. She just has to go through a bunch of government red tape first.

07-22-2009, 02:19 PM	#405
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I mean, kefir that is packaged and flavored specifically for kids. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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