Suffer the little children... - Page 3

Undertoad · 06-23-2006, 06:30 AM

If you believe there exists a power greater than yourself, that's enough.

That's a tough one, but I'll pick gravity.

It beats love, playful harmonies, and the Republican Party.

BlueSky_TheMan · 06-23-2006, 08:31 AM

What is the difference between a power “greater than yourself” with a name like God verses a power “greater than yourself” with a name like “gravity, love, playful harmonies, and the Republican Party.”?

In my mind, God (by whatever name or description) IS a higher power due to primordial existence, being all knowing, being all seeing, having some part in my creation,etc… I would not consider gravity a force greater than me because it does not embody consciousness, I would consider love a synonym for God or playful harmonies. I would not consider any group (such as the Republican Party) a higher force due to the fact that they are simply a creation or extension of “me” that reflects specific ideas/concepts/thoughts within me.

Anyone have reflections on this ?

Undertoad · 06-23-2006, 09:12 AM

The difference is that the latter all provably exist.

BlueSky_TheMan · 06-23-2006, 09:19 AM

Undertoad,

To make sure I understand your response. You're saying all of those things, except God, exist ?

wolf · 06-23-2006, 09:25 AM

He's seen a republican.

BlueSky_TheMan · 06-23-2006, 09:28 AM

He's seen all of these exept God .

xoxoxoBruce · 06-23-2006, 09:28 AM

But he ain't seen gravity.

BlueSky_TheMan · 06-23-2006, 09:31 AM

True about gravity. In fact , a lot of things we call a higher power ,including God, are never actually seen. We just perceive the results of there existence acting on the world around us.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-23-2006, 09:35 AM

Bingo.

wolf · 06-23-2006, 09:40 AM

There is no gravity. The Earth sucks.

BlueSky_TheMan · 06-23-2006, 09:42 AM

Reply to: Bingo

It all makes sense now.....

Ding

Reply to: Wolf

You're the official optimist of the forum ?

wolf · 06-23-2006, 09:49 AM

I often go to the Optometrist, yes.

Undertoad · 06-23-2006, 09:51 AM

Provably exist, BS_TM.

If God exists, He would be a higher power than any of the other powers I mentioned. But I'm just answering xoB's guy's question. Gravity is, without a doubt, a higher power than myself. A higher power than all of us. We cannot deny it, we cannot beat it, and it affects every single piece of matter in the universe.

BlueSky_TheMan · 06-23-2006, 10:15 AM

UT,

lol

I'm so dense sometimes. I thought "provably" in your other reply was a typo for probably...

....and a higher power can be interpreted many ways. Such as.... Gravity is a higher power than me because it moves planets and I can't, but I'm a higher power than gravity because I can feel the depth of a poem and deduce that 2+2=4.....

Undertoad · 06-23-2006, 10:25 AM

Enlightened consciousness is more powerful than the most powerful force of nature, because nothing else will allow us to ponder the question of which is more powerful.

06-23-2006, 08:31 AM	#32
BlueSky_TheMan This moment is a gift, thats why they call it the present. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 56	What is the difference between a power “greater than yourself” with a name like God verses a power “greater than yourself” with a name like “gravity, love, playful harmonies, and the Republican Party.”? In my mind, God (by whatever name or description) IS a higher power due to primordial existence, being all knowing, being all seeing, having some part in my creation,etc… I would not consider gravity a force greater than me because it does not embody consciousness, I would consider love a synonym for God or playful harmonies. I would not consider any group (such as the Republican Party) a higher force due to the fact that they are simply a creation or extension of “me” that reflects specific ideas/concepts/thoughts within me. Anyone have reflections on this ? __________________ -- I’m a Father, Husband, Son, Computer Dude, Sometimes Artist, Thirty Something, American, Jeep Driver, and devotee to truth, on a life path to remove the labels placed on my existence. --

06-23-2006, 09:19 AM	#34
BlueSky_TheMan This moment is a gift, thats why they call it the present. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 56	Undertoad, To make sure I understand your response. You're saying all of those things, except God, exist ? __________________ -- I’m a Father, Husband, Son, Computer Dude, Sometimes Artist, Thirty Something, American, Jeep Driver, and devotee to truth, on a life path to remove the labels placed on my existence. --

06-23-2006, 09:25 AM	#35
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	He's seen a republican. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-23-2006, 09:28 AM	#36
BlueSky_TheMan This moment is a gift, thats why they call it the present. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 56	He's seen all of these exept God . __________________ -- I’m a Father, Husband, Son, Computer Dude, Sometimes Artist, Thirty Something, American, Jeep Driver, and devotee to truth, on a life path to remove the labels placed on my existence. --

06-23-2006, 09:28 AM	#37
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	But he ain't seen gravity. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-23-2006, 06:30 AM	#31
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If you believe there exists a power greater than yourself, that's enough. That's a tough one, but I'll pick gravity. It beats love, playful harmonies, and the Republican Party.

06-23-2006, 09:12 AM	#33
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The difference is that the latter all provably exist.

06-23-2006, 09:31 AM	#38
BlueSky_TheMan This moment is a gift, thats why they call it the present. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 56	True about gravity. In fact , a lot of things we call a higher power ,including God, are never actually seen. We just perceive the results of there existence acting on the world around us. __________________ -- I’m a Father, Husband, Son, Computer Dude, Sometimes Artist, Thirty Something, American, Jeep Driver, and devotee to truth, on a life path to remove the labels placed on my existence. --

06-23-2006, 09:35 AM	#39
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Bingo. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-23-2006, 09:40 AM	#40
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	There is no gravity. The Earth sucks. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-23-2006, 09:42 AM	#41
BlueSky_TheMan This moment is a gift, thats why they call it the present. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 56	Reply to: Bingo It all makes sense now..... Ding Reply to: Wolf You're the official optimist of the forum ? __________________ -- I’m a Father, Husband, Son, Computer Dude, Sometimes Artist, Thirty Something, American, Jeep Driver, and devotee to truth, on a life path to remove the labels placed on my existence. -- Last edited by BlueSky_TheMan; 06-23-2006 at 09:46 AM.

06-23-2006, 09:49 AM	#42
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I often go to the Optometrist, yes. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-23-2006, 09:51 AM	#43
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Provably exist, BS_TM. If God exists, He would be a higher power than any of the other powers I mentioned. But I'm just answering xoB's guy's question. Gravity is, without a doubt, a higher power than myself. A higher power than all of us. We cannot deny it, we cannot beat it, and it affects every single piece of matter in the universe.

06-23-2006, 10:15 AM	#44
BlueSky_TheMan This moment is a gift, thats why they call it the present. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 56	UT, lol I'm so dense sometimes. I thought "provably" in your other reply was a typo for probably... ....and a higher power can be interpreted many ways. Such as.... Gravity is a higher power than me because it moves planets and I can't, but I'm a higher power than gravity because I can feel the depth of a poem and deduce that 2+2=4..... __________________ -- I’m a Father, Husband, Son, Computer Dude, Sometimes Artist, Thirty Something, American, Jeep Driver, and devotee to truth, on a life path to remove the labels placed on my existence. --

06-23-2006, 10:25 AM	#45
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Enlightened consciousness is more powerful than the most powerful force of nature, because nothing else will allow us to ponder the question of which is more powerful.

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