Immigration - Demography vs. Border Control - Page 3

TheMercenary · 04-08-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

How many of them are claiming social security?

The strain is not on the SS system. It is on health care and prisons, among other things.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A9649C8B63 (from 2002)

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N13461203.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16285023/

http://www.migrationinformation.org/...lay.cfm?ID=417

TheMercenary · 04-08-2007, 08:06 PM

Dana, check with you tomorrow, have to go to work.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-08-2007, 10:00 PM

Why bother, you two aren't going to agree. You start out with a report that says 5 million when it's actually 3.5 times that. Old saws like they do dirty jobs that nobody else will do, which is pure myth. They do unskilled labor, for lack of skills and they'll work cheaper because they haven't the overhead.

Sure we have room for them, but they don't want to live where we have room. There's plenty of air to breath, too. If they were trees, it wouldn't be a problem. But they aren't, they're people, people than need infrastructure and services, both of which are expensive and they aren't paying for.

With the billions of dollars they take back to Mexico, why haven't they done anything there? You know, businesses and companies, to establish a decent economy there. Because all their potential customers and employees are here?

DanaC · 04-09-2007, 05:07 AM

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You know, businesses and companies, to establish a decent economy there. Because all their potential customers and employees are here?

I though much of the article was pointing towards the fact that they have started to develop their economy now?

xoxoxoBruce · 04-09-2007, 11:05 AM

No, it only says

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Job growth is a key component of President Felipe Calderon's agenda in Mexico.

This is an echo of past claims that didn't bear fruition.

Kitsune · 05-03-2007, 01:12 PM

Anyone else catch all the protecting and serving that went on at the recent immigration protests?

piercehawkeye45 · 05-03-2007, 01:14 PM

I was going to post this later today.

Fuck the police and the media.

The police did not have to use that force and this would never been reported like this if a camera person did not get hurt.

It is pathetic that someone in the media has to get hurt before they will report what the police did negatively.

Good strategy for protesters by the way.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-03-2007, 02:18 PM

Apparently as long as they were in the street and moving it was OK, but when they were congregating in the park the cops cleared them out. At least that's what I can make of what I've seen on TV.

TheMercenary · 05-03-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I was going to post this later today.

Fuck the police and the media.

The police did not have to use that force and this would never been reported like this if a camera person did not get hurt.

It is pathetic that someone in the media has to get hurt before they will report what the police did negatively.

Good strategy for protesters by the way.

I'm glad they kicked their asses.

Kitsune · 05-03-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I'm glad they kicked their asses.

You're glad the police kicked the asses of people who were doing nothing illegal? Why?

TheMercenary · 05-03-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

You're glad the police kicked the asses of people who were doing nothing illegal? Why?

Disorderly conduct and failure to disburse are hardly legal. If ordered to move and you fail to do so you will suffer the consequences.

elSicomoro · 05-03-2007, 03:27 PM

I'm all about letting people come here...the more the merrier. Of course, not willy-nilly...we gotta check 'em out and shit. But we started as a country of immigrants...we should remain so.

Kitsune · 05-03-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Disorderly conduct and failure to disburse are hardly legal. If ordered to move and you fail to do so you will suffer the consequences.

Wrong. Not only because "failure to disburse" (this doesn't apply, anyway, because it looks to me like the media was moving when asked in the videos) when you aren't doing anything wrong should never be met with violence, but also:

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The use of force on news crews came despite a legal settlement signed in 2002 calling for the Los Angeles police and city officials to recognize journalists' right to cover public protests even if there is a declaration of unlawful assembly and an order to disperse.

Under the settlement, the city agreed to assign a press liaison to such events and to set up designated media areas.

The pact resolved a lawsuit brought on behalf of seven journalists who said they were assaulted by police officers while covering the 2000 Democratic National Convention in L.A.

Peter Eliasberg, an ACLU lawyer who helped negotiate the settlement, said that based on broadcast news reports he has heard and viewed, "the police went way over the line," using force that "violates the law and the Constitution."

TheMercenary · 05-03-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sycamore

I'm all about letting people come here...the more the merrier. Of course, not willy-nilly...we gotta check 'em out and shit. But we started as a country of immigrants...we should remain so.

I have no problem with LEGAL immigrants. If you cross the border illegally you get to turn around and go back home and take all your kids, mothers, grandmothers, etc, with you. I don't care if they were born here or not. Circumvent the process or pay the price.

TheMercenary · 05-03-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

Wrong. Not only because "failure to disburse" (this doesn't apply, anyway, because it looks to me like the media was moving when asked in the videos) when you aren't doing anything wrong should never be met with violence, but also:

Maybe they just needed a work out or a warm up or something for a bigger ass kicking later. I don't know.

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04-08-2007, 10:00 PM	#33
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Why bother, you two aren't going to agree. You start out with a report that says 5 million when it's actually 3.5 times that. Old saws like they do dirty jobs that nobody else will do, which is pure myth. They do unskilled labor, for lack of skills and they'll work cheaper because they haven't the overhead. Sure we have room for them, but they don't want to live where we have room. There's plenty of air to breath, too. If they were trees, it wouldn't be a problem. But they aren't, they're people, people than need infrastructure and services, both of which are expensive and they aren't paying for. With the billions of dollars they take back to Mexico, why haven't they done anything there? You know, businesses and companies, to establish a decent economy there. Because all their potential customers and employees are here? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-03-2007, 02:18 PM	#38
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Apparently as long as they were in the street and moving it was OK, but when they were congregating in the park the cops cleared them out. At least that's what I can make of what I've seen on TV. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-03-2007, 01:12 PM	#36
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Anyone else catch all the protecting and serving that went on at the recent immigration protests?

05-03-2007, 01:14 PM	#37
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I was going to post this later today. Fuck the police and the media. The police did not have to use that force and this would never been reported like this if a camera person did not get hurt. It is pathetic that someone in the media has to get hurt before they will report what the police did negatively. Good strategy for protesters by the way.

05-03-2007, 03:27 PM	#42
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I'm all about letting people come here...the more the merrier. Of course, not willy-nilly...we gotta check 'em out and shit. But we started as a country of immigrants...we should remain so.

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