"She", not "he", guys

[John Sellers]

Originally Posted by classicman

I's chime in, but things seem to be flowing pretty good here.

Well, I think Henry's a p'tahk for just starting this thread.

[Glinda]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

If he has a penis, is genetically male, then -- despite *self-definition -- he is 'he'.

Yes?

No?

Opinions?









*that Ibram self-defines as 'girl' is fine by me; that he believes any one else is obligated to address him as a girl (for no other reason than because he wants it that way) is absurd.

Speaking as someone who has no earthly clue what this little lover's spat is about and doesn't really care, I shall respond to the questions posed.

My opinion is: I can't even begin to understand why anybody would give a fuck. I certainly don't.

Unless, of course, this Ibram person is actually Poor Pitiful Whacked-Out Pam of yore, who killed her landlord with a pointy stick or something, in which case, I care even less.

[BrianR]

Ibs, if you are going to be a tranny, you HAVE to develop a thick hide. It's a requirement. I agree with UT, you have been a little too sensitive to the jerks of the world. They are a fact of life and you will need to keep your head up high and ignore the little stuff.

The Cellar has a neat feature called the 'ignore' and it does just what it says. I have ignored people in the past and will do so in the future.

You are above the name-calling, always tell yourself that.

Love

Pam

[classicman]

You are need to rise above the name-calling, always tell yourself that.

[John Sellers]

Originally Posted by classicman

You are need to rise above the name-calling, always tell yourself that.

Gotta agree with that. OTOH, I believe my Klingon insult to quirky henry was totally called for. I'm wondering what it's well-thought-out, logical explanation is for it's prejudice against Ibram.

[Ibby]

I believe in fighting intolerance and this kind of bullshit, not ignoring it and moving on. if i seem like i'm on a hair trigger it's only because I believe it's the duty of all moral people to fight back against this kind of hate with all they've got, every single time they see it.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Ibram

I believe in fighting intolerance and this kind of bullshit, not ignoring it and moving on. if i seem like i'm on a hair trigger it's only because I believe it's the duty of all moral people to fight back against this kind of hate with all they've got, every single time they see it.

Rrright, where it's understood by all that when you say "this kind", you are referring to the kind that you personally experience. Obviously, we aren't in this thread talking about any other kind.

And how we "fight" is:

A) We calmly discuss an issue that intelligent people may disagree on, and discover through common respect what we can learn from each other in a two-way process.

B) We call everybody we disagree with a fucking ignorant cunt.

(B-prime) Assume the moral high ground. That way B is permitted and is not poor behavior.

AND BY THE WAY when you talk about gender you are not speaking for all TG people. And I know this because: well, I've known more of them than you have.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

AND BY THE WAY when you talk about gender you are not speaking for all TG people. And I know this because: well, I've known more of them than you have.

That made me smile :p

[JBKlyde]

I agree with IBram this is sexual harassment.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by JBKlyde

I agree with IBram this is sexual harassment.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by JBKlyde

I agree with IBram ...

That's very commendable JBKlyde, supporting Ibram just like a big brother would. We know you'll watch over Ibram and teach Ibram well.

[henry quirk]

Agreed. But, to be of any use: language should accurately describe external reality.

Calling a boy 'girl' (just 'cause the boy insists) is not an accurate description of external reality.

Ibram may be accurately describing the contents of his head with 'she', but his subjective assessment doesn't trump the reality that 'he' (nothing more than a descriptor for *maleness) is not 'she' (nothing more than a descriptor for *femaleness).









*both, fundamentally, matters of DNA and therefore independent of Ibram’s self-definition.

[Ibby]

Henry, you have no understanding whatsoever of the concept of gender, which has literally absolutely nothing to do with physical sex, except when cultural forces make it so.

Happy monkey nailed it. all you cunts who refuse to take the time and add one little letter to your pronouns are ONLY doing it to be unpleasant little bitches and get a rise out of me. it tends to work. congrats.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Ibram

all you cunts who refuse to take the time and add one little letter to your pronouns are ONLY doing it to be unpleasant little bitches and get a rise out of me. it tends to work. congrats.

Apparently you have learned it is far easier to preach than practice eh?
One can only assume your not as "tolerant" as you claim.

I am disappoint.

[jimhelm]

Originally Posted by Ibram

Henry, you have no understanding whatsoever of the concept of gender, which has literally absolutely nothing to do with physical sex, except when cultural forces make it so.

Happy monkey nailed it. all you cunts who refuse to take the time and add one little letter to your pronouns are ONLY doing it to be unpleasant to little bitches and get a rise out of me. it tends to work. congrats.

settle down, beavis.
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