Gay Marriage - Page 3

kerosene · 11-19-2003, 01:07 PM

Are you referring to the prejudices of those who say a fatherless family is damaging, Toad? Just want to clarify.

Undertoad · 11-19-2003, 01:12 PM

Yes.

Happy Monkey · 11-19-2003, 01:24 PM

I've listened to hours of talk radio against gay marriage, and read extensive anti-gay diatribes on the web, and read political grandstanding on the issue. At no time has any legal argument even been made, let alone substantiated, against gay marriage.

Here is a list of the arguments I've seen:

1) It will lead to polygamy, bestiality, and marriage to 'poltergeists' (O'Reilly today).

2) It is a case of judicial activism, against the wishes of 62% of the population.

3) Marriage is defined in the dictionary as being between a man and a woman.

4) It would be a "special privilege" only for gays. Currently, gays have equal rights as heterosexuals to enter heterosexual marriage.

5) It's against the Bible.

6) It's unnatural.

7) I don't want to tell my children about it.

8) It's yucky.

Are there any arguments against gay marriage that weren't also used and discredited against interracial marriage, or any number of other civil rights?

FileNotFound · 11-19-2003, 01:57 PM

First of all, not attacking you just listing counter argumnets...

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Originally posted by Happy Monkey

Here is a list of the arguments I've seen:

1) It will lead to polygamy, bestiality, and marriage to 'poltergeists' (O'Reilly today).

I do not see any link to polygamy, gays don't want to marry 20 people. No link to bestiality, sheep can't say I do. Neither can "poltergeists"

2) It is a case of judicial activism, against the wishes of 62% of the population.

I'd like a source of that statistic.

3) Marriage is defined in the dictionary as being between a man and a woman.

A dictionary isn't the book of laws.

4) It would be a "special privilege" only for gays. Currently, gays have equal rights as heterosexuals to enter heterosexual marriage.

Marriage doesn't need a "heterosexual" vs "homosexual" defintion. It's a union between two consenting adults. No more. No less.

5) It's against the Bible.

As are many things that we firmly believe to be our "god given rights". Bible isn't law.

6) It's unnatural.

There are plenty of recorded cases of homosexual behaviour in animals, even necrophilia. I can look up the sources if anyone insists. ( I would now but being at work and all..searching google for "animals necrophila homosexuality" would look odd..)

7) I don't want to tell my children about it.

Boo hoo hoo. So? How do you tell them about sex and other "tough" issues?

8) It's yucky.

Gay men often think that women are yucky and that breasts are yucky. Should breasts be made illegal?

Are there any arguments against gay marriage that weren't also used and discredited against interracial marriage, or any number of other civil rights?

Pie · 11-19-2003, 03:03 PM

Gay marriage -- no prob, I'll come to the wedding and sniff into my hankie. Throw rice.

A child being raised by the State -- uh oh.

A child being raised by a caring, decent parent -- wonderful!

A child being raised by *two* caring, decent parents -- wow, we just hit the motherlode!

2 parents + grandparents, uncles, aunts, siblings, friends, community -- As Good As It Gets.

I don't see where gender comes into it.

- Pie

Happy Monkey · 11-19-2003, 04:09 PM

FileNotFound - Indeed. Counterarguments are so obvious to me that I wish they weren't even necessary. But all of these arguments were being advanced with all seriousness. As for the source of the statistic, it was from O'Reilly, who has been known to make up statistics on the spot.

elSicomoro · 11-19-2003, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
Many people have told me straight to my face how damaging a fatherless family is to a child.

Well, it COULD explain your pussy music tendencies...

warch · 11-19-2003, 05:44 PM

Of course gay marriage should be legal.

Of course gay partners should be allowed to birth or adopt children and raise them in loving homes. Of course all children deserve loving homes.

And of course gay people should be teachers, writers, insurance claims adjusters, cashiers, artists, doctors, business people,...wait they are.

It is a question of basic human rights.

richlevy · 11-19-2003, 07:20 PM

What pisses me off about the whole issue is that we have given the White House a new issue to use to sidestep the economy and the war in Iraq.

Bush gets to oppose gay marriage, alienating a special interest group who he never expected to support him. It will cost him nothing and further ingratiate him with evangelicals, who are willing to ignore his worldly foibles in favor of social conservatism.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-19-2003, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by juju
What's wrong with them having children? Any specific points?

Sorry I'm late on this. No Juju, just gut feeling. I am not for making it illegal because I don't have a rational case for that. I'm just uncomfortable with it.

I can believe O'Reilly's 63%. I think there is probably 63% that would make the Bible law, if they could.

slang · 11-20-2003, 01:31 AM

Jesus! Where do I start?

Maybe with some research and reading on my new online library.

I'll be back. I wont forget this but there are lotsa things to be done before this.

blue · 11-20-2003, 08:16 AM

Legal rights, yes. Marriage...sorry but marriage is between a man and woman, get your own word.

blue · 11-20-2003, 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by juju
It seems to me that a whole slew of people have been raised by single mothers, and they seem to be getting on okay. In the absence of a father, the child will simply find some other male role model (and vice-versa for women).

Reminds me of a Chris Rock routine about single mothers, sure, you can do it...but that doesn't make it a fucking good idea!

FileNotFound · 11-20-2003, 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by blue58

Reminds me of a Chris Rock routine about single mothers, sure, you can do it...but that doesn't make it a fucking good idea!

Is being raised by the state better? There are plenty of kids in need of addoption.

Also marriage 'was' a union between man and woman. Now it's a union between two conscenting adults. Welcome to the new world. (If you don't like it, I can suggest a way to leave)

blue · 11-20-2003, 08:42 AM

Oh, opinions not allowed here? Am I too un-PC?

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

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11-19-2003, 01:24 PM	#33
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I've listened to hours of talk radio against gay marriage, and read extensive anti-gay diatribes on the web, and read political grandstanding on the issue. At no time has any legal argument even been made, let alone substantiated, against gay marriage. Here is a list of the arguments I've seen: 1) It will lead to polygamy, bestiality, and marriage to 'poltergeists' (O'Reilly today). 2) It is a case of judicial activism, against the wishes of 62% of the population. 3) Marriage is defined in the dictionary as being between a man and a woman. 4) It would be a "special privilege" only for gays. Currently, gays have equal rights as heterosexuals to enter heterosexual marriage. 5) It's against the Bible. 6) It's unnatural. 7) I don't want to tell my children about it. 8) It's yucky. Are there any arguments against gay marriage that weren't also used and discredited against interracial marriage, or any number of other civil rights? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-19-2003, 03:03 PM	#35
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Gay marriage -- no prob, I'll come to the wedding and sniff into my hankie. Throw rice. A child being raised by the State -- uh oh. A child being raised by a caring, decent parent -- wonderful! A child being raised by two caring, decent parents -- wow, we just hit the motherlode! 2 parents + grandparents, uncles, aunts, siblings, friends, community -- As Good As It Gets. I don't see where gender comes into it. - Pie __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

11-19-2003, 04:09 PM	#36
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	FileNotFound - Indeed. Counterarguments are so obvious to me that I wish they weren't even necessary. But all of these arguments were being advanced with all seriousness. As for the source of the statistic, it was from O'Reilly, who has been known to make up statistics on the spot. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-19-2003, 07:20 PM	#39
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	What pisses me off about the whole issue is that we have given the White House a new issue to use to sidestep the economy and the war in Iraq. Bush gets to oppose gay marriage, alienating a special interest group who he never expected to support him. It will cost him nothing and further ingratiate him with evangelicals, who are willing to ignore his worldly foibles in favor of social conservatism. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

11-19-2003, 01:07 PM	#31
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	Are you referring to the prejudices of those who say a fatherless family is damaging, Toad? Just want to clarify.

11-19-2003, 01:12 PM	#32
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Yes.

11-19-2003, 05:44 PM	#38
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Of course gay marriage should be legal. Of course gay partners should be allowed to birth or adopt children and raise them in loving homes. Of course all children deserve loving homes. And of course gay people should be teachers, writers, insurance claims adjusters, cashiers, artists, doctors, business people,...wait they are. It is a question of basic human rights.

11-20-2003, 01:31 AM	#41
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Jesus! Where do I start? Maybe with some research and reading on my new online library. I'll be back. I wont forget this but there are lotsa things to be done before this.

11-20-2003, 08:16 AM	#42
blue Operations Operative Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northern WI Posts: 739	Nope Legal rights, yes. Marriage...sorry but marriage is between a man and woman, get your own word.

11-20-2003, 08:42 AM	#45
blue Operations Operative Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northern WI Posts: 739	Oh, opinions not allowed here? Am I too un-PC? If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

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