Classic cars return from grave - Page 3

Troubleshooter · 01-22-2005, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sycamore

and do we really need that big of a car today?

Yes.

I like big cars.

First car: 1972 Cadilac Fleetwood Brougham
Second car:1982 Nissan Sentra ( I bought it for $500 and kept it long enough to get me from New England back to Louisiana, where I promptly abandoned it)
Third Car: 1982 Monte Carlo LS
Fourth Car: 1972 Chrystler Newport Royale (my favorite ride yet)

Fifth (and present) Car: 1982 Chevrolet Caprice Classic

jinx · 01-22-2005, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Izzat by design?

Dad's a fan. He really liked Richard Petty too, so I feel like I got lucky there...

elSicomoro · 01-22-2005, 02:07 PM

Don't get me wrong, TS...I like big cars. My previous car was a 1988 Caprice...I just don't think they're that practical anymore.

So...how gutless is that Caprice you own? And how gutless was that Monte?

I owned a 1973 Chrysler New Yorker for a time...it was in incredibly good shape and was a beast on the road (440 V-8), but the gas mileage was just awful (9 mpg in the city). I switched cars with my stepdad after 6 months--took his 1987 Celebrity. Good thing too--the tranny crapped out on the New Yorker later that summer. I wound up selling the Celebrity and buying a 1980 Monte Carlo.

Bullitt · 01-22-2005, 02:58 PM

Here's my uncle's Mercury Cougar XR7:

He's the origional owner and has kept the car in pretty dang good condition. Though the origional engine was stolen from a repair shop sometime years ago.

lumberjim · 01-22-2005, 04:24 PM

some day when jinx runs out of 'more important' things to spend our money on, Ima gonna get a me one a these here hot rods:

Troubleshooter · 01-22-2005, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sycamore

Don't get me wrong, TS...I like big cars. My previous car was a 1988 Caprice...I just don't think they're that practical anymore.

So...how gutless is that Caprice you own? And how gutless was that Monte?

I owned a 1973 Chrysler New Yorker for a time...it was in incredibly good shape and was a beast on the road (440 V-8), but the gas mileage was just awful (9 mpg in the city). I switched cars with my stepdad after 6 months--took his 1987 Celebrity. Good thing too--the tranny crapped out on the New Yorker later that summer. I wound up selling the Celebrity and buying a 1980 Monte Carlo.

I like the caprice, it's unfortunate that the last year they made it was in '96. I guess I'll have to go with a crown vic next.

Gutless? I'm not sure what you're asking but the Monte had a 305, and I replaced the 305 in the caprice with a 350.

Having a full size car has payed off so many times in the past that I just can't conceive of not having one.

404Error · 01-22-2005, 06:52 PM

My first car was a 1968 Pontiac LeMans simular to this one. It had a stock 350 engine and auto transmission. I remember adding a high rise manifold, Holly 4 bbl. carb, Hooker headers and Thrush exhaust. It was a pretty sweet ride at the time!

elSicomoro · 01-22-2005, 07:12 PM

The original 305? They were alright (I had one in my '76 Camaro), but GM made some crappy engines during that time. My '80 MC had a 229 V-6, which was the most gutless POS...my current Escort could outperform that thing.

Is the 350 a newer one?

elSicomoro · 01-22-2005, 07:13 PM

That'd be a pretty sweet ride now, 404.

Troubleshooter · 01-22-2005, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sycamore

The original 305? They were alright (I had one in my '76 Camaro), but GM made some crappy engines during that time. My '80 MC had a 229 V-6, which was the most gutless POS...my current Escort could outperform that thing.

Is the 350 a newer one?

My mother had a an 85 or so MC with the 4.3 V6. That thing could really pull. It says a lot about an engine when Summit makes a whole section devoted to it.

Yeah, the 350 was a new one, it pulls real nice.

One thing I remember about the 305 in MC was when I had to replace the electronic carburator, it was crazy, $1100. I told them exactly where they could stick that electronic piece of shit. I ordered a Bolly 4 BBL with 200 more CFM of airflow over stock. It could get you going then.

elSicomoro · 01-22-2005, 08:11 PM

The '88 Caprice I had (350) had a similar carburetor--my stepdad took a look at it and said, "What the fuck?!" Fortunately, I never had any problems with it.

Kitsune · 01-22-2005, 08:19 PM

While we're on the subject of vehicles, old versus new, the naming of such, etc, I'd like for the following question to be properly answered in the really annoying commercials I see on TV.

"Hey, that thang got a hemi?"
"No, actually it doesn't. "

Lee assured me no deception is afoot. The engineers responsible for Chrysler's new engine had better intentions than merely dusting off Hemis in the back of their closet. Early in the research phase, they discovered a combustion chamber that Porsche used for 1965-97 air-cooled 911s offered the ideal starting point for their new design. Porsche's head happened to be a hemi.

Engineers are not about to leave well enough alone so little from the Porsche design made the long trip to what's now called the 5.7-liter Hemi Magnum V-8.

This would be called "false advertising" in my book.

elSicomoro · 01-22-2005, 08:49 PM

Perhaps the marketing wizards at Chrysler are using the name more to symbolize the power of the original. I agree with the article though...the engine is definitely not a Hemi.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-22-2005, 11:24 PM

The reason the new magnum V-8 isn’t a magnum is it wouldn’t work today.
The vaunted 426 Hemi was a winner on the race track because the layout allowed the engine to breath at high RPM. It did so with a large overlap of the intake and exhaust valve timing that sent a considerable charge of raw fuel directly into the exhaust. Do not stop at combustion chamber....do not burn. That results in a loss of mileage and would send a catalytic converter into apoplexy.
At lower RPM they didn’t have the power or torque to be quick on the street. Even the pig 440s could keep up with them between lights.

Street Hemi owners were regularly embarrassed by big block Fords that were set up right.
Also, any 427 or square port 396 Chevy was ready to send the Street Hemi back to the Drive-In to impress the car hops that didn’t know any better.

Beware, the sleeper.

01-22-2005, 02:58 PM	#34
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	Here's my uncle's Mercury Cougar XR7: He's the origional owner and has kept the car in pretty dang good condition. Though the origional engine was stolen from a repair shop sometime years ago. __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

01-22-2005, 04:24 PM	#35
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01-22-2005, 06:52 PM	#37
404Error Lecturer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: CT USA Posts: 826	My first car was a 1968 Pontiac LeMans simular to this one. It had a stock 350 engine and auto transmission. I remember adding a high rise manifold, Holly 4 bbl. carb, Hooker headers and Thrush exhaust. It was a pretty sweet ride at the time! Attached Images __________________ "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." ~George Mason~

01-22-2005, 11:24 PM	#44
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The reason the new magnum V-8 isn’t a magnum is it wouldn’t work today. The vaunted 426 Hemi was a winner on the race track because the layout allowed the engine to breath at high RPM. It did so with a large overlap of the intake and exhaust valve timing that sent a considerable charge of raw fuel directly into the exhaust. Do not stop at combustion chamber....do not burn. That results in a loss of mileage and would send a catalytic converter into apoplexy. At lower RPM they didn’t have the power or torque to be quick on the street. Even the pig 440s could keep up with them between lights. Street Hemi owners were regularly embarrassed by big block Fords that were set up right. Also, any 427 or square port 396 Chevy was ready to send the Street Hemi back to the Drive-In to impress the car hops that didn’t know any better. Beware, the sleeper. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 04-07-2007 at 05:57 PM.

01-22-2005, 02:07 PM	#33
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Don't get me wrong, TS...I like big cars. My previous car was a 1988 Caprice...I just don't think they're that practical anymore. So...how gutless is that Caprice you own? And how gutless was that Monte? I owned a 1973 Chrysler New Yorker for a time...it was in incredibly good shape and was a beast on the road (440 V-8), but the gas mileage was just awful (9 mpg in the city). I switched cars with my stepdad after 6 months--took his 1987 Celebrity. Good thing too--the tranny crapped out on the New Yorker later that summer. I wound up selling the Celebrity and buying a 1980 Monte Carlo.

01-22-2005, 07:12 PM	#38
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	The original 305? They were alright (I had one in my '76 Camaro), but GM made some crappy engines during that time. My '80 MC had a 229 V-6, which was the most gutless POS...my current Escort could outperform that thing. Is the 350 a newer one?

01-22-2005, 07:13 PM	#39
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	That'd be a pretty sweet ride now, 404.

01-22-2005, 08:11 PM	#41
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	The '88 Caprice I had (350) had a similar carburetor--my stepdad took a look at it and said, "What the fuck?!" Fortunately, I never had any problems with it.

01-22-2005, 08:19 PM	#42
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	While we're on the subject of vehicles, old versus new, the naming of such, etc, I'd like for the following question to be properly answered in the really annoying commercials I see on TV. "Hey, that thang got a hemi?" "No, actually it doesn't. " Lee assured me no deception is afoot. The engineers responsible for Chrysler's new engine had better intentions than merely dusting off Hemis in the back of their closet. Early in the research phase, they discovered a combustion chamber that Porsche used for 1965-97 air-cooled 911s offered the ideal starting point for their new design. Porsche's head happened to be a hemi. Engineers are not about to leave well enough alone so little from the Porsche design made the long trip to what's now called the 5.7-liter Hemi Magnum V-8. This would be called "false advertising" in my book.

01-22-2005, 08:49 PM	#43
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Perhaps the marketing wizards at Chrysler are using the name more to symbolize the power of the original. I agree with the article though...the engine is definitely not a Hemi.

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