Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by BigV

#Flounce

Had to go there.

Petty. Small.

[Luce]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

So far, you're posting covid numbers based on what happens when we socially restrict, and comparing them to flu numbers that happen when we don't. That is not very useful, and I suggest you don't do that.

The only numbers that actually matter are the R0 number and the death rate. R0 to tell us how communicative it is: the number of people that one infected person will also infect. Death rate to tell us how many people die when infected.

This is why I always read Undertoad's posts.

[Undertoad]

It's your house, so: okay, I won't.

That's not how this place works.

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

That's not how this place works.

Then, I choose to no longer participate in virus conversation or debate.

There: all on me, nuthin' on you.

[BigV]

I notice you weren't willing to call me a liar this time. I'm just reporting what I see.

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by BigV

I notice you weren't willing to call me a liar this time. I'm just reporting what I see.

You lied up-thread, and with just reporting what I see you're lyin' again.

Thanks for givin' me the opportunity to elaborate.

'nuff said.

[BigV]

I stand by both posts.

Though I doubt the flounce will last very long.

[Undertoad]

If you're smoking weed to ease your stress during the coronavirus pandemic, experts say it's time to think twice.

Smoking marijuana, even occasionally, can increase your risk for more severe complications from Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

"What happens to your airways when you smoke cannabis is that it causes some degree of inflammation, very similar to bronchitis, very similar to the type of inflammation that cigarette smoking can cause," said pulmonologist Dr. Albert Rizzo, chief medical officer for the American Lung Association. "Now you have some airway inflammation and you get an infection on top of it. So, yes, your chance of getting more complications is there." ...

~ guess what. oh you'll never ever guess! ~

Tobacco:

As of 2015, 15.1% of US adults were smokers.

In available data, 1.3% of people testing positive for COVID-19 were smokers.

WHAT?

5.2% of these were both hospitalized and admitted to an ICUs.
20% of ex-smokers testing positive were admitted to ICUs.

FUCK ME IF IT MIGHT TURN OUT SMOKING IS A COVID PREVENTATIVE.

Do you think they'll tell people that?

~ however, that is early data ~ but wait there's more! ~

Pre-print science: Level of IL-6 predicts respiratory failure in hospitalized symptomatic COVID-19 patients

Dang. So, what inhibits IL-6?

Self-reported lifetime marijuana use and interleukin-6 levels in middle-aged African Americans

The current findings extend previous cellular and biochemical literature, which identifies an inverse association between IL-6 and marijuana use. Examining this relationship in the psychological and behavioral literature could be informative to the development of clinical interventions for inflammatory diseases.

Now, I'm not saying. I'm really not. This is on the order of conspiracy theory. It's just a notion. Still, if it turns out weed is a preventative...

...do you think they'll tell people that?

[Griff]

Seems unlikely...

[sexobon]

Maybe, if someone (or group) makes a sufficient donation to the American Lung Association.

[Undertoad]

Henry, it's fine. We shall have the debate whether you care to participate or not. It will be more fun if you participate.

Originally Posted by henry

12,911 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 8, 2020

Four days later (this is as of yesterday)

22,020 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 12, 2020

Source: Johns Hopkins

[Undertoad]

related: right now mortality rate in Europe is 3x higher than US, per case. don't know why that is

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

related: right now mortality rate in Europe is 3x higher than US, per case. don't know why that is

That might be because the outbreak is further along in many parts of Europe - so they have had longer for individual outcomes to play out

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

related: right now mortality rate in Europe is 3x higher than US, per case. don't know why that is

Must be because they smoke less marijuana.

Think we should tell them?

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

related: right now mortality rate in Europe is 3x higher than US, per case. don't know why that is

Overwhelmed hospitals are surely part of the equation. In Italy things got so bad they issued a "no one over age 60 gets treatment" order. Not sure if it's still in place.