Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by BigV

Hi hq. I'm glad you're ok. Thanks for checking in.

Hey, V. Me too. You're welcome.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Here's another wrinkle from New England Journal of Medicine

5 New Yorkers age 33, 37, 39, 44, and 49 suffered large vessel strokes from the Corvid-19 virus.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...09787?query=RP

Doctors in Wuhan say 5% suffered strokes but the youngest was 55.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Doctors in Wuhan say 5% suffered strokes but the youngest was 55.

5% of serious cases?
or 5% of all infections? Because 5% of all infections would be a huge number.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I don't know but I would guess of hospitalized cases, which would be the serious ones.

edit : yes hospitalized.

[DanaC]

Heard yesterday that my friend and work colleague's mum is in hospital with Covid. Don;t know how bad she is but I suspect its very not good. Her mum isnt elderly, she's only in her early 60s, but has lung problems.

I dont know when Clo last saw her mum face to face before this - she was at the hospital last I heard.

I am worried for her, because of her mum, obviously, but I am also worried about Clo herself - her asthma gets quite bad sometimes.

[BigV]

That's got tragedy written all over it. Dana, I'm sorry to hear about this, please give my best to your friend and her mom. From a safe distance of course, but the distance itself is an additional problem. Sorry.

[Griff]

Sorry D.

[Clodfobble]

I hope she pulls through, Dana.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I was talking to a guy in Texas today and he was telling me he was trying to figure out how to access a vent on his roof. When I told him to be careful he said no problem he has medicare if he gets hurt. I reminded him a hospital is the very last place you want to be right now.

[adoriaalisha46]

you're right

[Griff]

Legit question; When should we know whether Sweden's plan is working? Since folks are turning it into a hammer for their own agendas. I'd like to see a list of the actual measures taken along with the societal factors which make them similar or dissimilar to us. I guess it all hangs on herd immunity...

Maybe the Brits save our ass here.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...icacy-n1198946



Nature magazine is publishing blurbs for short attention span or sensible people who don't want to obsess.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w

[Luce]

Originally Posted by Griff

I guess it all hangs on herd immunity...

For us to acquire herd immunity without a vaccine would require 70% of the population to get sick in a short period of time.

[Griff]

Yeah, I believe that's what Sweden is attempting? Obviously you'd need a functional healthcare system and an effective way to isolate the old and infirm. Otherwise you get: https://www.wwlp.com/news/local-news...-19-pass-away/

[Gravdigr]

To the tune of Bohemian Rhapsody:

Coronavirus Rhapsody
March 19, 2020 by Jonco

Lyrics by Dana Jay Bein

Is this a sore throat?
Is this just allergies?
Caught in a lockdown
No escape from reality.

Don’t touch your eyes
Just hand sanitize quicklyyyyy
I’m just a poor boy, no job security
Because of easy spread, even though
washed your hands, laying low
I look out the window, the curve doesn’t look flatter to me, to me

mama, i just killed a man
didn’t stay inside in bed
walked by him and now he’s dead
mama, life was so much fun
but now I’ve caught this unforgiving plague

mama, oooooh
didn’t mean to make them die
if I’m not back to work this time tomorrow
carry on, carry on as if people didn’t matter

oo late, my time has come
sends shivers down my spine
body’s aching all the time
goodbye everybody, I’ve got the flu
gotta leave you all behind and face the truth

mama, oooooh
I don’t wanna die
I sometimes wish I never went out at all


I see a little silhouette of a man
what a douche, what a douche
did he even wash his hands though
security is tightening
very very frightening me
Gotta lay low (gotta lay low)
Gotta lay low (gotta lay low)
Gotta lay low masturbate
Masturbate O O O O

I’m just a poor boy, facing mortality
HE’S JUST A POOR BOY FACING MORTALITY
spare him his life from this monstrosity

Touch your face, wash your hands, will you wash your hands?
BISMILLAH NO WE WILL NOT WASH OUR HANDS! (WASH YOUR HANDS!)
BISMILLAH NO WE WILL NOT WASH OUR HANDS! (WASH YOUR HANDS)

BISMILLAH WE WILL NOT WASH YOUR HANDS! (WASH YOUR HANDS!)
WASH YOUR HANDS! (never, never, never wash your hands oh oh oh oh oh oh oh)
No no no no no
Oh mama mia, mia (mama mia wash your hands!)
COVID-19 has a sickness put aside for me, for me

So you think you can stop me and just shake my hand?
So you think we can hang out and not break our plans?
Oh baby, can’t do this with me, baby,
Just gotta stay home, just gotta stay home with my fever

oooooh

Curving can get flatter
Anyone can see
Curving can get flatter
Curving can get flatter, you’ll see

Just look out your windows….

[tw]

Originally Posted by Griff

Maybe the Brits save our ass here.

There are maybe 75 different vaccines in development. If we get lucky, one or a few will be successful. All are currently as promising as that Oxford vaccine.

Problem is obvious. Previous vaccines worked because, first, actual medical processes were first learned. We still do not know how this virus transfers. What in the immune system properly attacks it. Why some, already with antibodies, still get sick again. Or even if the coronavirus, as found in bats, is somehow different after it must first go into some other wild animal before infecting man.

A Mers coronavirus, normally found in some bats, must first go through a camel before it infects man. Why?

All those vaccines are predicated on speculation. On a hope that the necessary underlying science was understood. So that a vaccine, that requires four or ten years, might arrive in 1.5.

At least 3000 coronaviruses have been identified. Plenty more await discovery. Only seven are known to survive in man. Some are more contagious then others. A few cause a cytokine storm that causes death. Many others do not. Why?

A measles vaccine will last a lifetime. It appears immunity from Sars (another coronavirus) only lasts 2 years. Mers - 3 years. Many other flues - only six months. Why? Those two have only been known for one or two decades. So not enough time has existed to understand it.

What is 'memory' in B and T cells that make possible a recovery from Covid-19? Unknown. What then is a vaccine suppose to target to be successful?

What we do know. We still do not know very much.

Every solution (especially those hyped by a scumbag president) are best ignored as only wild speculation. In his case, promoted so that he will be reelected. Screw you Covid-19 victims. He cares about them just like Hitler was concerned with Jewish safety.

Another currently promoted myth, using emotions, is that smokers are better protected from Covid-19. Then we include facts that are too complicated for tweeters or political extremists.

Apparently nicotine tends to bind to a protein called ACE2. This is the protein that is somehow related to cytokine storms. Meaning a Covid-19 victim has less symptoms. But is still infecting others.

So the naive claim smoking is protection from Covid-19 only because the person is asymptomatic - but still infecting others.

Misinformation from sources such as hearsay, The Don, wild speculation, Fox News, and promoters of the Clorox cure.

We have no reason to believe any solution exists in the next 1.5 years. But we sure do have plenty of adults, acting like children, and promoting a solution as almost ready. Because some other stranger told them it was true. Which lies more? Peers or what was read on the internet?